[09:43:53] Is there someone here who would like to help me maintain the WikimediaIncubator extension? I am one of 4 maintainers, but the other 3 are sadly inactive. Since I can't +2 my own changes, being a co-maintainer would mostly consist of reviewing patches that I submit to it, hehe. [09:47:02] Jhs: it would probably be best to write to wikitech-l about this. That would make it easier to make a case for getting proper resourcing. [09:50:50] duesen, yeah, good idea. thanks [09:59:37] another different, but related question: it is quite difficult to test many aspects of this extension locally, because so much of it depends on Wikimedia configuration/databases (for example in functions like getExistingWikis(), which checks whether or not a wiki exists in the same cluster). We have a WMFLabs instance at https://incubator.wikimedia.beta.wmflabs.org/ , but patches only appear there after they've been merged, so that unfortunately gives [09:59:37] limited value for testing new changes [10:00:46] Are there any alternative ways of testing in a more live-like environment that you know of? [10:03:43] what dependencies does it have that you can't replicate locally? with a bit of tinkering it should be possible to set up a tiny wiki farm [10:07:10] taavi, lots of things. i could try to set up a wiki farm locally, but i have no idea where to start for that (I used MW-Docker to test stuff, if that helps). Do you have any pointers for where/how to start? [10:53:59] I need some help with a Toolforge-related thing (to be discussed in private) [10:57:19] Westvleteren: hi, feel free to PM [10:57:23] Westvleteren: #wikimedia-cloud would probably be the best channel [10:57:53] ^ yeah, that too [10:58:37] * Westvleteren notes that [11:53:00] TimStarling: Is https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/c/mediawiki/core/+/778684 supposed to have as broad a scope as it does? Currently a bunch of scripts on enwiki are getting confused by an unknown "named" group [12:16:07] nvm, think I understand the purpose better. Handling on enwiki's end [12:27:11] some cheese is going to get moved for sure [12:27:40] getting a new group is a small part of it [12:29:31] but I think that group could be suppressed for now if people are offended by it [12:30:44] there’s also a new task about it just now https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T307675 [12:34:25] ok, there's an untested patch for it [12:36:30] tested now [12:37:01] maybe we also need a group name message to make it less mysterious? [12:38:47] I'll propose "registered users" [12:39:40] I posted at VPT on en, and have already put in one edit request for a popular script [12:40:09] another in the works once I figured out how the script works. (I *know* the part to change but the code seems to be doing the opposite of what I'd expect... working on that.) [12:59:19] TimStarling: What's the timeframe on when the name will be finalized? Asking just because we can't update scripts till we know what we're updating them to ignore. And ideally I'd like to get enwiki's scripts ignoring it before it even rolls out... remove one papercut of what will be a jarring transition even best-case scenario. [13:00:54] internally the group name will be "named" [13:01:47] but I am proposing a message group-named, you want that to be finalized? [13:04:10] the message name is customisable now per-wiki if you want to do that [13:04:34] my patches will be finalized when duesen approves them [13:05:11] after that, I will backport them if someone asks me to do that, otherwise it will take 2 weeks for the change to appear on the site [13:06:43] yeah if the internal name is finalized, that's all that's needed for scripts (I think) [13:07:20] * TheresNoTime has been named. [13:08:06] yes, you are named Sammy [13:08:42] TimStarling: do you want duesen to take a look specifically? I can do some code review too [13:09:54] if onymous was a word I would have used that [13:10:08] ok OED says it is actually a word, too late now though [13:11:42] it's duesen's job and I only need one +2, and if you give negative feedback then it'll probably delay it until Monday [13:11:54] but you can comment if you like [13:12:27] so good to go on "named" then? just wanna be sure because i've already self-rv'd once on this lol [13:14:02] onymous, anonymous, unanonymous, unanimous [13:15:57] noxious [15:06:10] Tamzin: oh crud, I missed Tim. There#s a -1 on the patch he's waiting for: https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/c/mediawiki/core/+/775411 [15:06:25] I' waiting for him to follow up on that. [20:53:35] "Wikimedia Commons video download" https://github.com/ytdl-org/youtube-dl/issues/30777 O_o [21:15:58] my kingdom for having this kind of interactive visualizations in wiki pages : https://ciechanow.ski/mechanical-watch/ (what would it take? probably support for SVG — https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T5593) [21:33:40] (the linked article uses WebGL rather than SVG, but I think the security issues for WebGL make it a nonstarter)