[00:00:03] <Platonides>	 it might be worth hiding that Hide email preference and disable that mailman feature
[00:00:47] <Platonides>	 well, in the old days it used to be quite complex, and prone to breaking archives :P
[00:00:55] <legoktm[m]>	 https://wikitech.wikimedia.org/wiki/Mailman#Remove_a_message_from_the_mailing_list_archives
[00:00:56] <legoktm[m]>	 just one or two buttons to click
[00:24:31] <Izno>	 smtp over whatsapp > sure would be nice for all the messaging apps (signal, whatsapp, google, ios, etc) to interop seamlessly
[00:28:25] <AntiComposite>	 too bad there are no open standards that would facilitate such a thing
[00:39:26] <Platonides>	 something like an Extensible Messaging and Presence Protocol
[00:57:41] <mutante>	 Jabber was meant to be that 
[00:58:22] <mutante>	 remember using Jabber with the Psi client? looked liked ICQ but free and open 
[00:58:35] <mutante>	 and many clients 
[00:59:03] <mutante>	 even had group chat and supported GPG keys for users
[01:01:23] <p858snake>	 mmm… Jabber… I remember using the twitter jabber gateway… *days of the lives themesong starts to play*
[01:07:44] <Platonides>	 mutante: XMPP (formerly known as jabber) is exactly that
[01:08:21] <Platonides>	 in fact, WhatsApp actually uses XMPP (kind-of)
[01:08:39] <Platonides>	 I think it used a compressed version of XMPP
[01:08:46] <Platonides>	 not sure what signal does
[01:12:33] <AntiComposite>	 signal uses its own protocol
[01:12:58] <AntiComposite>	 WhatsApp uses an implementation of it as well, at least for they crypto
[01:13:11] <AntiComposite>	 would make sense if it was based on XMPP though
[01:22:52] <mutante>	 yes, Jabber was like the original name of XMPP, ack
[01:23:51] <mutante>	 Google Wave tried to be half email and half chat
[01:24:25] <mutante>	 have a good weekend all, bye
[01:32:15] <Platonides>	 WhatsApp crypto is based on Signal's double ratchet as well
[05:46:57] <bawolff>	 I'm doing the developer survey. Its interesting, for the rank priorities for personal dev environment, none of those seem all that important
[05:55:56] <bawolff>	 "Balancing code review with my other Wikimedia developer tasks is:" <-- not even sure what that means
[06:04:10] <legoktm>	 all the other stuff you do as a developer? triaging + testing bugs, maintaining tools/bots/services, writing code yourself, ...
[06:05:35] <bawolff>	 idk, It doesn't really feel like something you balance
[06:05:52] <bawolff>	 Its more like waiting for rain so you can get a harvest
[06:07:12] <legoktm>	 is it free response or are there options?
[06:07:43] <bawolff>	 umm, im on a few pages later, but i think it was "strongly agree", "agree", etc
[06:08:42] <bawolff>	 There's a free response form later on for your overall opinions on CR
[06:13:14] <bawolff>	 "Have you used the deployment train"
[06:13:32] <bawolff>	 Well, technically i've written code that was deployed by the train. I guess that is using it.
[06:29:08] * bawolff completes survey
[06:29:14] <bawolff>	 I will be really interested in the results
[22:51:34] <Guest87>	 Hi