[09:09:11] Hello everyone, [09:09:11] I'm currently working on a project where I need to change a cell view in a table. I'm wondering if anyone has any suggestions on how to implement this function? [09:09:11] Specifically, I need to add a background color or border lines to a cell. I've been researching different approaches, but I'm still struggling to find the best solution. [09:09:12] If anyone has experience with this type of implementation or has any suggestions, I would greatly appreciate your insights. Thank you in advance! [09:40:25] Guest28: which kind of wiki formatting are you using for the table? the one that starts with {| or the HTML-like one that starts with ? [09:43:14] for the former, instead of having a cell like || cellvalue , write it like | style="background-color: #FFC080" | cellvalue to change its color [09:43:29] how i understand: plain text( | ) is possible to change by setting the style attribute. HTML-like is my goal [09:44:47] I think you can just add a bgcolor or style attribute to the TD element for the HTML-like, but I'm not sure [09:49:12] i had an idea to change it using the ve.ui.TableAction but got the problems with logic of rows/columns replacement [12:16:24] "where do you need what command..." <- is it right way? :) [18:37:52] hmm https://wikimediafoundation.org/news/2023/04/13/first-grants-announced-from-the-wikimedia-endowment/ [18:38:44] I don't remember a call for applicants? But I could've totally missed it... [18:41:12] I don't understand why all that work is coming out of the Endowment? [18:41:25] donations have managed to cover current costs [18:42:16] even with this year's returns [19:00:59] So much for it being a long-term fund [19:02:51] !? [19:03:16] That is annoying to read, to say the least.. [19:04:36] anyway, the way I read it is that they used the interest to fund those grants [19:04:39] So 3.2 million in grants. If we're following the 5% rule, that should mean the endowment should have at least 64 million in the bank [19:04:45] that actually sounds plausible [19:05:50] allegedly it had 100 million in 2021 [19:06:12] So i guess this could actually be responsible [19:06:27] they did make a big fuss of that. maybe whenever Wikimedia Endowment Management happens we'll actually get consistent reports on its status [19:10:16] Oh, i guess they did talk about making grants in https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimedia_Endowment/Meetings/July_21,_2022 [22:16:49] > Izno> donations have managed to cover current costs -- {{CN}}. Read legoktm's blog about layoffs. [22:17:05] I'm quite well aware [22:17:40] probably not quite as aware as my friends who got canned, but sure [22:17:52] sure [22:18:40] but that doesn't feel like a useful statement on your part [22:18:49] more like anger at the people who did the canning [22:21:30] random anger? anger at the set of unknowns that led to it all? but at least some anger towarads folks who assume that all is well [22:22:11] I don't assume that, so don't assume that I do. :^) [22:23:59] I'm confused then at what "donations have managed to cover current costs" meant then I guess [22:24:19] * bd808 is not trying to start a fight [22:24:19] it was a very narrow statement based on public data about how much money donations pulled this year versus how much it costs to run WMF [22:24:45] nb, not run WMF on a shoestring, or whatever other smaller size others would prefer to see it [22:25:23] since there are definitely detractors to the current size of the WMF. I'm not one of them. [22:25:39] not much point having an endowment if you don't spend the interest [22:25:50] not an endowment if you're spending from it.....??? [22:26:19] the general point of an endowment is to fund an annuity [22:26:25] spending from it is the entire point of an endowment [22:26:33] why own money otherwise? [22:26:34] I'm sure many other orgs (looking at you, Princeton) have the cash to spend willy nilly. the endowment's objective has always been to ensure the lights can stay on [22:27:24] which, I'd like to go further and have its objective be to keep the lights on at current expenditure; spending anything works against that goal [22:27:58] but, that's what I'd like ;) [22:35:29] the actual objective of the endowment, per the 2015 board resolution that established it, is to "generate income to support the operations and activities of the Wikimedia projects in perpetuity" [22:35:55] which is pretty much what's happening [22:37:28] /in perpetuity/ [22:39:53] if you wanted to fund the entire movement budget from an endowment, it would have to be some 20-30x larger than it currently is, so given past trends it would take about a century to establish [22:40:02] yes, it would have to be that large [22:41:24] that is why I do not think we should be spending interest today. moreover, consider that if this is the maximum for donations ever, then we also not be adding to that endowment meaningfully if we are also spending the interest. so then we have a hard-to-access $120m hanging out in a so-called endowment [22:41:43] (nb we cannot predict how donations will go given the recent shock to the system) [22:45:26] AIUI major donors are still encouraged to donate to the endowment. Might be attractive for a different kind of donor (e.g. wills). [22:45:34] sure [22:46:43] what would be really great is if Gates or Bezos said "here WMF, here's 2 billion, have fun with your interest" :) [22:55:10] maybe in the future Wikimedia Enterprise will be much bigger part of the income and share certain amount of profit into endowment for the .org/movement