[04:52:17] Dear reciver can you please tell me the definition of discussion and how does it work ? Because before knowing the definition from all Wikillpedia siblings I do not want to work as per the wrong definition of discussion ( as I know ) and my myths about how it works ( as I have done in all discussions in my life ).  Kindly provide me this "silent [04:52:17] discussion", "silent talks"  "not permitted to speak but invited to talk " and every other epic and master definition of Wikillpedia siblings. I will be grateful dear Wikillpedia siblings if you do. Also remember " One world one English" . [04:52:59] 1. One world one English. [05:11:39] 2. Wikillpedia need to acknowledge there is nothing to waste energy and time on before making it's presence "get acknowledged" to everyone who has Wikillpedia but do not know what does it mean if someone has Wikillpedia.  You may spend years or decades on how to do each stuff but if you are not putting an ounce of energy to aware others or to let [05:11:39] them acknowledge what Wikillpedia is and you are not spending a second on doing something in this regard than I deny any kind if existence your your hard work. Jimmy Wales made available the universes right ? I kow it's right. But if this universe of knowledge gets no recognition or no one even knows that they have this for a good purpose and thier [05:11:40] quality living of life is achievable if this knowledge universe is identified, accepted, utilized and appreciated  by everyone then I think it's a waste of Wikillpedia foundation and it's  timeless journey and it is a clear insult to the universe that is given birth ( now an Empire ) by this Wikillpedia foundation.  Prioritize your need and [05:11:40] start with one and do every needed improvement along I mean while doing the existing. "One world one English" " If I understand the English then Wikillpedia needs no worry thinking that many will not understand"  " ANYONE CAN READ" " ANYONE CAN UNDERSTAND" ANYONE CAN  LEARN" ANYONE CAN IMPROVE WHILE LEARNING "    Wikillpedia can take my 4 in [05:11:41] exchange of it's one "ANYONE CAN EDIT" . Moral- I learnt then anyone can learn. I can't edit then not anyone can edit. I say my experiences not the theory not the rules or not the instruction of President of United States of America. I speak what I live. [05:12:03] Reply to this [05:13:54] lol [05:18:35] kind of looks like an AI asked to produce gibberish minorly related to Wikimedia [05:23:05] I not interested in Pleasing Wikillpedia as that is not my purpuse. My purpuse to bear my responsibility and work accordingly what Wikillpedia and purpose of it's creation have given me . If I abuse then there was no preparation. If I appreciate then there was no preparation. I live in present and I work in present. I refuse to stay a single [05:23:05] personalty to be here as my personalty is ultra dynamic. It works what moment says and it changes what moment says. I am here to do what I need to do not what is needed to do for Pleasing or satisfying you. That is not my business to think and waste my energy and time on. Time will tell if my contents are useful for people or useless for people . [05:23:06] People will know or the reader will know . Wikillpedia or Founder of Wikillpedia has no eligibility and no authority to judge and declare what is my writing.  Remove yourself or withdraw youself what is not meant for you. Wikillpedia readers are my real boss not the Wikillpedia.  Got it !! [05:45:49] Dudes I am not AI instead AI maker itself. My robots are roaming secretly in Wikillpedia spaces to bring information for me. Also I'm making some robots who will give 60000 answers with at least average 14 words ( count your words ) in just 15 seconds not more than that. Do you want a demo ? I'm ready always. My robots are inspired by my "talk less [05:45:49] talks" and "discussion less discusdioons" and "word less *****graphy".  I am mad and stay away to be safe  from my madness. 🤨 [05:48:45] !op [05:49:17] or does it have an s :thinking: [05:52:29] Jerry old south well is dumping efforts in vain I mean well for a wrong sake.  Dry well never gives water. It's is law. It is common sense. He forget the after founding responsibilities I think l. Begging for oxygen to live better 🤣🤣 Best oxygen to breath?? How funny. A 🐒  will tell him better there is no alternative of Oxygen to choose [05:52:29] for best living 🤣🤣 [06:06:33] I will block Wikillpedia in 20% world of universe with proper and protocolic way of blocking if situation tells me to do it.  If such situation doesn't come then Wikillpedia will get my 200%  as having  happy readers more than this by getting this 20%  as  40% world ( all non native English speaking countries)  I am serious. I informed it so [06:06:33] If Wikillpedia doesn't reply or react then it will not be my fault as per law of any country.    I enjoy debate if solution is needed at any cost and follow what the decision maker says.  Also I protect what I create remember it or find my old writing somewhere in Wikillpedia itself.  I had taken each steps with evidence and I had left my [06:06:34] defending foot prints everywhere. I am smart enough to escape war if my victory is not written in prior. I Rule. [06:54:24] wat [07:26:39] Hi, is there any way to move about one to two thousand files to Commons? FileImporter is a very great tool, I'm looking for something like that, but FileImporter isn't going to work in this case, since clicking manually three thousand times is boring. [07:26:59] And takes a lot of time and... You know.. :) [07:27:57] I'm not sure if there is any script for this purpose in the Pywikibot, but Pywikibot doesn't work well like FileImporter (it makes all templates and such things automatically translated for Commons). [16:37:19] One editor on Discord is reporting an error 503 for en.wikipedia.org every seventh or so load. Another editor is reporting a 503 for the VRT website. FYI. [16:39:33] I'm able to access now :) (But had this issue a few minutes back) [16:42:33] thanks for the report NovemLinguae, we had a known issue around 16:05-16:15 UTC (so that's a little over half an hour ago) [16:56:12] is there some ticket? because T346172 got created [16:56:13] T346172: All Wikimedia projects were inaccessible today 2 times for several minutes - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T346172 [16:58:58] andre: not a public one at least. [16:59:10] okay, now there is.... [17:05:23] hi, i know there was an incident earlier today but i'm still unable to access anything toolforge or wmcloud (but wikimedia projects load normally) with a DNS error [17:05:59] i have checked with someone else (@isoc) that this is not just me [17:06:30] It's a weird "DNS_PROBE_FINISHED_NXDOMAIN" error [17:06:55] i.e http error [17:07:14] giraffe: isoc: are you using any specific dns resolver? [17:07:50] no [17:07:51] Other than my ISP's automatic one, no [17:07:55] ^ [17:08:22] Huh it works on Cloudflare [17:08:31] it works on cloudflare and google [17:08:42] it's probably cached there [17:08:48] we are seeing similar issues with Wikimedia DNS [17:09:09] so one of our authoritative dns servers was down a few hours ago, but that was a few hours ago, and spec-comforming clients should still work with the other one being online [17:10:21] weird [17:12:20] I haven't found the time to dig into it (between meetings) but something is up [17:37:42] taavi: I think ns0 is still down no? [17:38:44] topranks: hm? both seem to respond to my queries, unless I'm missing something: https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/P52481 [17:38:51] sorry my bad, ns0 (208.80.154.135) is responding right now, ns1 (208.80.154.11) seems down [17:39:02] you have an outdated ns1 address [17:39:12] The ORG zone has is the problem [17:39:31] ohh. hmm [17:39:33] https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/P52482 [17:40:09] that might explain [17:40:11] maybe not actually sorry [17:40:35] ORG TLD servers are returning old ns1 IP in the additional section [17:41:29] But the ns[0|1].openstack.eqiad1.wikimediacloud.org. are not auth for wikimediacloud.org, so the TLD servers shouldn't need "glue" A records for those [17:41:52] are not auth for toolforge.org you mean? [17:42:29] they are auth for toolforge.org, but glue records should only come into play when there is a circular dependency like I described [17:42:39] like when ns.foo.org is the auth server for foo.org [17:42:46] oh. right. [17:42:52] you need the IP for ns.foo.org to ask it the IP for ns.foo.org :( [17:43:07] so the zone above has those "glue" records they return in the additional section [17:43:07] so why does .org have glues for ns0/ns1.openstack? [17:43:45] the question is does it - or is it just returning cached data it got earlier from ns0.wikimedia.org [17:47:59] I think it's returning the cached data [17:48:09] we can guesstimate based on the TTL as well, to some extent [17:48:51] The TTL is consistent at 3600 every time I query the ORG TLD [17:49:59] taavi, sukhe: I'm not 100% but I suspect the ORG servers are have those additional A records in their setup for toolforge.org, pointing at the two old IPs [17:50:16] is there a way to check that? [17:51:01] Probably need to check with markmonitor, but I'm unsure who is authorized to do that [17:52:25] topranks: DMing you [17:52:47] topranks: IIRC, only robh and bblack [17:52:57] but I don't think that has happened, because there is no email to dns-admin@ [17:54:28] it's all via email isn't it? there is no portal or anything? [17:54:46] yeah, to the best of what I know, given the recent ns2 updates and all [17:54:47] robh: if you're around is there a way to check what MarkMonitor have set up for toolforge.org ? [17:56:25] Is there a phab task on this? [17:56:40] https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T346042 [17:56:44] not for this specific issue [17:56:49] closest I can find [17:57:20] let me make one and summarize what I'm seeing [17:57:25] thanks [17:57:26] thanks [18:06:16] topranks: sukhe: as an additional data point, querying the .org servers for wikipedia.org and wikifunctions.org returns up-to-date ns0/1/2 addresses, so I suspect it's doing queries and caching instead of having hardcoded records [18:06:36] although I thought that the TTLs for ns0/1.openstack would have expired by now [18:07:30] There are glue records for the ns[0-2].wikimedia.org set up through the registrar, as they are auth servers foir wikimedia.org itself [18:07:59] We had to get them to change ns2 entry recently when it moved IP [18:08:09] yep, but those are for .wikimedia.org and not for the projects? [18:08:30] I created a task on it [18:08:31] https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T346177 [18:08:33] thanks! [18:09:02] right. on a cloudflare hosted domain I don't get actual IP addresses back from the .org servers. so that seems to indeed be the issue here [18:11:45] I pinged robh in the dc-ops channel, perhaps he can help with the registrar side of things [18:12:35] outside of that I can only think of a bunch of wonky hacks to try and work around the issue, which don't seem like they'd be worth it time-wise [18:12:45] do we have a clear picture of the impact? [18:13:13] ns0 should be working fine for everyone right? my sense is things should be mostly ok because of that? [18:13:31] it should.. but lots of people are still reporting things to be totally broken [18:13:47] i'm not sure if that's just caching (ns0 was down a few hours ago too) or something else [18:13:51] with an occasional delay every 1 hour for users if a recursor tries to refresh its cache and goes to the old ns1 IP? [18:17:59] topranks: thanks for filing the task! [18:18:30] taavi: TTLs are all 1 hour, so I don't think ns0 being down a few hours ago should still be a problem [18:18:40] indeed [18:19:09] topranks: I updated the task for the rest of the domains I'm aware of having the same issue. so at least toolforge.org, wmcloud.org, wmflabs.org, hopefully I'm not forgetting something [18:19:18] ah, toolserver.org too [18:19:28] yes [18:34:44] looks like the fix has started propagating. things are working for me now. [18:43:09] ragesoss: I'm not sure, I think that's related to some changes I was making [18:44:07] well, whatever was breaking DNS for me for both ssh and reaching outreachdashboard.wmflabs.org is fixed now for me. [18:45:42] ok good to know, that's from somewhere random on the internet? [18:48:30] ragesoss: this is using your ISPs DNS resolver, correct? or are you using something else? [19:03:08] I think the old ns1 IP should be back in action now (updated task) [19:03:37] WMCS your NOTRACKs are sensible but damn that slowed me right down :P [19:42:33] (works now for me) [20:20:35] yes, my ISP's resolver [20:25:03] ragesoss: ok thanks for confirming