[17:30:23] Does someone know why some SUL accounts only show loginwiki and metawiki when looking at that very account via https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Special:CentralAuth?target=AccountName ? [17:31:09] What would be needed to make Special:CentralAuth also show for example mediawikiwiki? Maybe that person has not logged into metawiki yet and that's needed to "populate" the other wikis? [17:31:23] ^^^ SUL / CentralAuth question. TIA! [17:32:40] andre: do you have an example account [17:32:53] It'll only show wikis where they've created a local account [17:33:32] I've seen data drifts before on Miraheze's CentralAuth instance but it's normally a caching bug making accounts be weird. Never seen a local account row not show when it's not in the DB. [17:33:50] andre: that page lists the "local accounts" for that user, which in practice means, for everything except loginwiki and metawiki, wikis where the user has logged in at least once [17:35:50] I'm coming from https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T345959#9156080 and https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T345959#9171141 [17:35:56] There is https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Special:CentralAuth?target=AHoelzl-WMF which only lists two wikis [17:36:58] The MediaWiki / CentralAuth behavior seems to be slightly confusing, saying there is no such account on mediawikiwiki: https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T345959#9176562 (as those two wikis do not include mediawikiwiki) [17:37:08] So I'm basically wondering what to recommend here. [17:37:51] bug reports welcome on phabricator, especially now that CentralAuth has an active maintainer :-) [17:38:08] eheh [17:38:36] but generally linking to the account managements on meta is a better idea than to some other wiki [17:38:42] oh wait, https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Special:ListUsers?username=AHoelzl-WMF&group=&wpsubmit=&wpFormIdentifier=mw-listusers-form&limit=1 shows now that this account was.... just created? [17:39:20] Jeez, and now https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Special:CentralAuth?target=AHoelzl-WMF lists mediawiki.org suddenly [17:39:40] "created" is a confusing term here, in practice it seems like that person just logged into mediawiki.org for the first time [17:40:39] taavi: I would assume for password reset linking to meta or loginwiki would be a better idea [17:40:47] And for central auth always use metawiki [17:41:03] Because an account should for the vast majority always exist on meta and login [17:41:10] that is what I just said a few rows above, yes [17:41:43] Okay, so to get a wiki listed on meta's Special:CentralAuth page, the owner of that account needs to have logged in at least once on a wiki? [17:41:46] I think that answers my question, thanks everyone! [17:41:53] Ye that's right [17:42:18] (Trying to improve onboarding steps (and affiliation transparency) a little bit at least here...) [17:43:10] yes* (* = except meta and loginwiki are special cases and tend to show up for everyone whose account was created after a certain date) [17:46:48] ah. Thanks everyone. [20:49:13] accounts were formely also autocreated on mediawikiwiki, but that stopped happening in 2019 https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T215725 [21:11:13] andre: Not sure if relevant, but the administrators of a wiki can force the creation of an CentralAuth entry for a user too [21:11:43] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:CreateLocalAccount [21:12:07] ah thanks [21:12:10] np [21:12:37] I do this for sockpuppets sometimes: No way to block them otherwise, so they could log in later and vandalize if there's not already a blocked local account [21:16:40] (please don't do this on wikis with checkusers, because your IP will be recorded as the account creation IP) [21:16:55] haha I think I reported that bug [21:17:10] caused me to be autoblocked, which affected me when editing on mobile [21:17:36] https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T305008 [21:25:23] shell scripts for all