[01:42:15] Hi, I've queued two pages for deletion (translation) on metawiki before hour (and half I think), but they're not deleted yet. Is everything alright? [01:44:07] I understand the job queue, but I'm wondering if it's maybe stuck or something. [01:47:01] https://meta.wikimedia.org/w/api.php?action=query&meta=siteinfo&siprop=statistics shows 0 jobs. [01:49:05] Just retried again. It shows that 39 pages are queued for deletion. Special:PageTranslationDeletePage/Amical_Wikimedia/sr shows that 39 pages are queued for deletion. [12:37:27] Hi, I wanted to delete this page 13 hours ago https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Amical_Wikimedia/sr [12:37:57] But it's still not deleted. I went to Delete link, filled everything and MediaWiki told me that job queue will process it. [12:38:03] I'm already worried that something is wrong. [12:59:22] Kizule: looking, thanks for the report [13:01:51] Thanks, let me know if you find something. :) [13:02:23] will do [13:19:14] Kizule: any chance you could find exactly when you tried to delete it? [13:21:22] If it helps it was about 1:10 AM CEST if I remember correctly. [13:21:51] thanks, appreciated [13:25:21] I was looking already if there's some task. But it's not, I found interesting debugging ways. https://meta.wikimedia.org/w/api.php?action=query&meta=siteinfo&siprop=dbrepllag&sishowalldb= has replag (but I think those are normal). [13:25:24] https://meta.wikimedia.org/w/api.php?action=query&meta=siteinfo&siprop=statistics shows 0 jobs. [13:28:44] the replag is very small, that's fine [13:33:15] 'kay [13:34:22] Kizule: nothing seems obviously broken... can you retry the delete please? [13:35:47] I'm going to cry [13:36:05] It seems that I didn't click the red button at all [13:37:12] oh :D [13:38:48] Sorry :D [13:39:28] np, I learned something :D next time maybe retry first [13:40:55] Kizule: while you're around, how did you find out about the https://meta.wikimedia.org/w/api.php?action=query&meta=siteinfo&siprop=statistics page? I am not convinced it's actually supported :D [13:43:09] I found it on Phabricator [13:44:06] While I was searching if there's some open task about this, thinking that something is wrong with the job queue or MediaWiki. [13:45:53] ok, thanks! maybe this task? https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T209899 [13:46:12] that one is from 2018, so we should probably make it go away :D [13:50:55] (well, technically the task is valid, the API indeed doesn't work :D) [13:53:58] Correct, and bunch of other tasks. [13:54:33] yeah... MW no longer knows the number of jobs, since it goes through Kafka now, so it'll always say 0 [14:01:14] Thank you for letting me know. [14:22:54] You can find jobqueue stats at https://grafana.wikimedia.org/d/LSeAShkGz/jobqueue. They're a bit more low level, no simple total number. It shows how many new jobs are added and how many are processed (from which you can deduce if we're keeping up), and further down, the backlog time (i.e. how old are the jobs we are running right now, i.e. how long in time is the queue behind). [14:23:13] That last number is especially useful, as you don't really care about the number of jobs sitting in the queue if you don't know how many we proces per second. [14:23:34] but you usually care about: if I added a job now, how long would it take to run? How long until a job I already queued will likely finish? [14:24:13] It also varies by job type, e.g. video transcoding for commons and categyr updates don't sit in the same line.