[01:11:41] hi Julia! \o/ [01:15:59] Julia's in this group? [01:16:17] forgot to say thank you quiddity for the info! :) [20:20:18] I would like to share three thoughts about renderers. [20:20:19] I came across https://twitter.com/uclab_potsdam/status/1461010549534306317?s=21 tweet from a visualisation research group. Barbhttps://www.dieseskleinebuch.de/en/oped a visual system for learning German: dieseskleinebuch.de I already know German, so I can’t test how useful it is 😉 But it got me thinking if a visual system like that could be build into the renderers for Abstract Wikipedia somehow? Ideally baked s [20:20:29] The other thought I got when rewatching the TED talk “How language shapes the way we think” (https://www.ted.com/talks/lera_boroditsky_how_language_shapes_the_way_we_think) from Lera Boroditsky. She gives fascinating examples how languages shape cognition and culture. For instance, there is an Aboriginal community in Australia that are incredibly good at orienting themselves. Instead of "hello" they say "Which wa [20:20:37] What about shared roots of languages, how they evolved etc. Could this also show up somehow in queries across renderer structures? Haven't parts of the evolutionary tree of insects been recalculated recently using molecular data? Will a large amount of renderers help recompute the evolution of language? 😃 This is now deep in historical linguistics territory I guess. [20:42:26] (prefacing this reply with links to constructors/renderers I'm writing, so that future questions about constructors/renderers are more concrete) https://gitlab.com/mahir256/ninai and https://gitlab.com/mahir256/udiron [20:42:26] I could imagine being able to introduce new hooks into the rendering process (similar to logging) such that at each step in a rendering, a visual of some sort is manipulated to match the grammatical transformations taking place at that step. Beyond how a syntax tree or constructor call graph might be stylized, I don't know if the simplicity in the little book you linked is portable cross-linguistically. (re @benjaminaaron [20:42:28] I came across this tweet from a visualisation research group. Barbara Vissirini developed a visual system for learning German: dieseskleinebuch.de I already know German, so I can’t test how useful it is 😉 But it got me thinking if a visual system like that could be build into the renderers for Abstract Wikipedia somehow? Ideally baked somehow directly into the code of formulating renderers so they come out “for fre [20:53:46] Sure, traversing an etymology graph each time a new lexeme is drawn in and compiling etymological statistics of a given utterance may well be a useful thing to do; as for "recomputing language's evolution", it's less evident how that might be accomplished with renderers (and might start to stray into the statistical realm that Denny wishes to eschew with Abstract Wikipedia constructors/renderers), although setting up rend [21:30:45] Thanks for your reply Mahir. [21:30:46] Hooks into the rendering process could be great to have I would say. Then anyone could plug something in there - like said visual, or other things we can’t yet think of. [21:30:47] Yes, that book for German seems to simple to me too, it was just giving me that thought. [21:30:49] Uh, a time slider for renderers would be so cool! Then one could surprise grandma with the way things were said back in her youth for some phrases.