[07:14:53] Regarding the licensing I would like to throw in one thought (that you probably already had): I imagine various companies, governments, international news organisations etc. will become (very) interested in running something like Abstract Wikipedia themselves. The idea of having only one place and render that out to multiple languages for free must be very attractive for companies maintaining multilingual documentati [14:50:28] I personally think it would've been better if Wikidata stuck with CC-BY-SA and we dealt with the consequences, rather than insisting on CC-0 (e.g. the copyright agreement you need to tick when uploading a photo and captioning it on Commons now is really confusing, and I can't see a good way out for as long as we continue to insist on separate CC-BY-SA and CC0 licensing). My opinion is the same for Abstract Wikipedia. [14:52:30] I don't particularly subscribe to this point of view, and I'm quite happy that WD has released data in CC0 - but I'm still reserving to think about my opinion about AW, because I still need to read all of the page [14:52:48] I'd go anyway with a Wikidata-like approach, i.e. as open as possible [14:52:56] I'd go anyway with a Wikidata-like approach, i.e. "as open as possible" [17:43:57] > The idea of having only one place and render that out to multiple languages for free must be very attractive for companies maintaining multilingual documentation-pages… [17:43:58] It is indeed attractive for them. But thus, they have had systems for that since the 1970 (Xerox, for example). So while there might be some interest, I guess it will not be an epiphany for such organizations. [17:44:12] > The idea of having only one place and render that out to multiple languages for free must be very attractive for companies maintaining multilingual documentation-pages… [17:44:13] It is indeed attractive for them. But thus, they have had systems for that since the 1970 (Xerox, for example). So while there might be some interest, I guess it will not be an epiphany for such organizations. [17:45:39] ^ (re @Jandit: > The idea of having only one place and render that out to multiple languages for free must be very attractive for companies maintaining multilingual documentation-pages… [17:45:40] It is indeed attractive for them. But thus, they have had systems for that since the 1970 (Xerox, for example). So while there might be some interest, I guess it will not be an epiphany for such organizations.) [17:46:15] moreover, it will be probably good for all small organisations that DID NOT have such advantages or systems [17:47:09] instead of thinking of the potential freeriding from Big Companies (which has limited impact), I am interested more in the impact we can do for small initiatives [17:47:52] What is confusing regarding licenses when uploading to Commons? I think that's the clearest part of the upload process. (re @conrick: I personally think it would've been better if Wikidata stuck with CC-BY-SA and we dealt with the consequences, rather than insisting on CC-0 (e.g. the copyright agreement you need to tick when uploading a photo and captioning it on Commons now is really confusing, and I can't see a good w [22:50:59] @conrick: There was a (IMO) very compelling argument by Luis on wikimedia-l recently about the use of CC-0, specifically his argument about default rights: https://lu.is/blog/2016/09/12/copyleft-and-data-database-law-as-poor-platform/ [22:51:41] I guess the post itself is old, but I only read it a few weeks ago via wikimedia-l