[00:05:39] <vrandecic>	 I am happy to help with that with advice, if you like. It is often something that can be done with a small number of patterns.
[01:07:38] <wm-bb>	 <mahir256> by this I mean that the mutability of arguments (even Python "self") is being relied on at the moment in ninai/udiron and that removing this from clauses/constructors might be a pita given how far it has come (re @mahir256: ah ok, looks like more refactoring of Ninai/Udiron to do then)