[07:29:22] Sorry, I was forgetting “we only support Z16/Code for arguments and return types that have hard-coded support by the evaluator.” [15:57:44] Newsletter 83: Inviting you all to the Wikifunctions Beta! https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Abstract_Wikipedia/Updates/2022-08-09 [16:53:04] I click "Mobile view" at https://wikifunctions.beta.wmflabs.org and I keep seeing the desktop view. [17:20:03] That was the problem that existed several months ago. (re @amire80: I click "Mobile view" at https://wikifunctions.beta.wmflabs.org and I keep seeing the desktop view.) [17:21:16] They will be probably solving it later. The most important now is to test the current implementation. [17:23:47] I'd say it's a clear test result of the current implementation if it breaks the mobile view (re @Csisc1994: They will be probably solving it later. The most important now is to test the current implementation.) [17:39:07] If we are testing the front-end, it is absolutely true. (re @Jan_ainali: I'd say it's a clear test result of the current implementation if it breaks the mobile view) [17:41:59] Tests don't seem to work. In some locations, they all show up as passed but, in others, they all show up as failed [17:42:24] What should non-devs test if not the frontend? (re @Csisc1994: If we are testing the front-end, it is absolutely true.) [17:43:22] The data models and layout of the wiki. (re @Jan_ainali: What should non-devs test if not the frontend?) [17:44:26] Example : https://tools-static.wmflabs.org/bridgebot/ca2c2dcc/file_32914.jpg [17:44:27] https://tools-static.wmflabs.org/bridgebot/cc281b61/file_32915.jpg [17:49:44] These are backend matters that we should identify and see. (re @Bongo50: Example) [17:50:43] Backend matters can be identified through proper tests. [17:57:51] If the layout of the wiki is not part of the frontend, then how do you define frontend? (re @Csisc1994: The data models and layout of the wiki.) [18:07:49] It is a part of the front-end. But, we should distinguish between UI and UX. (re @Jan_ainali: If the layout of the wiki is not part of the frontend, then how do you define frontend?) [18:08:29] UI (User Interface) and UX (User Experience). [18:09:03] Sure, and you're saying we should not test the UX? (re @Csisc1994: It is a part of the front-end. But, we should distinguish between UI and UX.) [18:09:49] I did not say it. I just said not at first. (re @Jan_ainali: Sure, and you're saying we should not test the UX?) [18:10:16] We should assess the functionality of the wiki first. [18:10:30] I'm not sure how to do them (re @Csisc1994: Backend matters can be identified through proper tests.) [18:11:05] How can you assess the functionality if you can't experience it? (re @Csisc1994: We should assess the functionality of the wiki first.) [18:13:05] I did not say this. I said that the problems that are not related to the definition and implementation of functions can be delayed a bit. (re @Jan_ainali: How can you assess the functionality if you can't experience it?) [18:13:36] I will go through it and see why this problem occurred. (re @Bongo50: I'm not sure how to do them) [18:13:53] Ok [18:14:44] How do you know those problems are not directly caused by the implementation? (re @Csisc1994: I did not say this. I said that the problems that are not related to the definition and implementation of functions can be delay...) [18:19:30] Seeing JavaScript. (re @Jan_ainali: How do you know those problems are not directly caused by the implementation?) [18:20:47] Do you have a link to the Phabricator ticket? (re @Csisc1994: Seeing JavaScript.) [18:21:49] You can just use Inspect in your browser and you will be able to identify bugs. (re @Jan_ainali: Do you have a link to the Phabricator ticket?) [18:22:59] I cannot. I'm on my phone on a jetty in the sunset. I need the mobile view to work to be able to see anything at all. (re @Csisc1994: You can just use Inspect in your browser and you will be able to identify bugs.) [18:23:34] That is a problem. (re @Jan_ainali: I cannot. I'm on my phone on a jetty in the sunset. I need the mobile view to work to be able to see anything at all.) [18:23:58] You can just report any matter and developers will see it deeply. [18:24:50] T314886 exists now (re @Jan_ainali: I cannot. I'm on my phone on a jetty in the sunset. I need the mobile view to work to be able to see anything at all.) [18:29:28] DALL-E, please paint me @Jan_ainali on a jetty in the sunset. (re @Jan_ainali: I cannot. I'm on my phone on a jetty in the sunset. I need the mobile view to work to be able to see anything at all.) [18:37:56] The beta looks interesting [18:38:37] Though I’m having trouble understanding the Z-ids for arguments in implementations [18:44:37] @amire80 Thanks, I'll file a bug for the page-footer link not working. For now, you can change it to Minerva in your preferences and that will work. [18:45:46] @jan There are more front-end changes being worked on at the moment (E.g. mockups of the mobile-size design at https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T306442 and more details coming soon). For now, testing the underlying workflows/functionality is best. [18:47:55] I'm currently on holiday, opened this channel because I cannot stay away from work, and saw this as first message, I must say I was initially very confused (re @amire80: DALL-E, please paint me @Jan_ainali on a jetty in the sunset.)