[00:32:53] Newsletter #90: A demo video of Wikifunctions Beta - https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Abstract_Wikipedia/Updates/2022-10-20 [06:45:07] really cool! [08:11:52] That's a nice demo! Though as someone lurking in this space and who hasn't experimented much hands-on with Wikifunctions, there were several "WTF" moments throughout the video, where the interface was confusing or counterintuitive, or the steps taken to get to the end goal were puzzling. I hope you'll do plenty of user testing with novices like me to iron out these UI/UX issues a [08:11:53] s the project gets developed :) [13:34:21] Is it possible to calculate the energy consumption of a function execution in Wikifunctions through the meta data information. I am interested in evaluating how much energy specific implementations of a function need. [13:35:26] Is it possible to do it anywhere at all (even outside of Wikifunctions)? (re @Hogü-456: Is it possible to calculate the energy consumption of a function execution in Wikifunctions through the meta data information. I...) [13:38:20] if there isn't already ASMR of people editing on-wiki, then this video is close enough to be the first (re @wmtelegram_bot: Newsletter #90: A demo video of Wikifunctions Beta - https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Abstract_Wikipedia/Updates/2022...) [13:39:00] (to be clear, I agree with Stefano and Waldir that the demo is cool and nice!) [13:40:19] My question is if the information is from your point of view accurate enough to calculate it. Yes I have seen some tools that tried to measure the energy consumption of a specific software in a specific usage scenario. https://media.ccc.de/v/bitsundbaeume-19721-energieverbrauch-von-software-eine-anleitung-zum-selbermessen So it is outside of Wikifunctions possible if the needed i [13:40:19] nformations are available. [17:45:36] Yes https://greenlab.di.uminho.pt/wp-content/uploads/2017/09/paperSLE.pdf (re @Jan_ainali: Is it possible to do it anywhere at all (even outside of Wikifunctions)?) [17:54:17] (If you don’t feel like reading the paper but would like to know the greenest programming languages: tables 4 and 5 sum up the outcomes) [18:12:53] waldyrious: one of our goals is for people of all technical backgrounds and abilities to be able to contribute? Would you be interested in connecting with our designer for future user testing or to give feedback? [18:14:56] Ok, so that tells me that we need a research paper per function to figure it out on the level that was asked about. (re @marijke00: Yes https://greenlab.di.uminho.pt/wp-content/uploads/2017/09/paperSLE.pdf) [18:27:05] Hogü-456, I think as the metadata analysis for functions evolves, you'll be able to extrapolate that data and get a pretty good estimate by orchestrator/evaluator CPU time the makeup/energy consumption of the production kubernetes cluster (which I _think_ is available somewhere on wikitech.) [18:28:48] Some information here: https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimedia_servers [18:29:10] I read the question "Is it possible to calculate" as, can we predict it? Just measuring afterwards is not really calculating (even if the measurement might involve calculations on different levels of the tooling) [18:32:02] Yes, I'd be glad to help! (re @wmtelegram_bot: waldyrious: one of our goals is for people of all technical backgrounds and abilities to be able to contribute? Woul...) [18:33:45] OK, I'll check with our designer about his preferred way of connecting. I think he's done with work today, so it might be Monday before I get back with you. [18:53:05] Sure thing :) [21:47:03] Thank you for the answer. I will look to the availabe Grafanadashboards and maybe I find something out about the energy consumption of the specific servers.