[01:36:12] <vrandecic>	 Newsletter 103: More thoughts on the fellows’ evaluation; Name for improvement process - https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Abstract_Wikipedia/Updates/2023-02-08
[02:03:13] <wm-bb>	 <mahir256> wrt "Little Lambda chat": 🎵and it was not your bug but mine; and it was your code on the line; I really bricked the site this time, didn't I my dear?🎵
[02:04:22] <wm-bb>	 <mahir256> context: https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Q2279438
[09:08:53] <wm-bb>	 <iamsabas> what about FI (Function Integration)
[15:19:59] <wm-bb>	 <lectrician1> I personally don't like specialized names for these proposal processes because if you mention the name of the proposal process to a newcomer, they're like "what's that"? The RfC name is really flawed because it basically describes itself as something you should comment on but is not something that will be implemented. Python's Python Enhancement Proposal is a good name because it <clipped message>
[15:19:59] <wm-bb>	 <lectrician1>  actually means what it is and people can understand what it is at first glance. Might as well copy Python and name it "Wikifunctions Enhancement Proposal"
[15:29:27] <wm-bb>	 <Nikki> I find it strange that anyone would recommend only using lua. the thing that seems to come up every time people mention modules is that it's hard to find people to create/edit them
[15:30:29] <wm-bb>	 <AracasDragon> Yeah, that's what I thought as well (re @Nikki: I find it strange that anyone would recommend only using lua. the thing that seems to come up every time people mention modules ...)
[15:31:43] <wm-bb>	 <AracasDragon> “dropping the function model, on which our multilingual user interface rests” “cutting features that enable non-developers to contribute functions” “focusing on a single programming language, Lua, instead of allowing for several languages.”
[15:31:44] <wm-bb>	 <AracasDragon> Modules. What they recommended is literally just Wikimedia modules.
[16:21:56] <Nikhil61>	 Thanks for the help last time
[16:21:57] <Nikhil61>	 That issue got resolved and the patch merged :)
[16:21:57] <Nikhil61>	 Can anyone assign me an issue related to test (a simple one)
[16:21:58] <Nikhil61>	 I found such issues https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T321933 but did not understand much
[17:59:41] <Nikhil61>	 *not assign I mean help in finding
[18:47:51] <florent>	 Nikhil61: This test is not that easy, I am on it currently ^^
[18:55:57] <wm-bb>	 <Nikhil> can you help me finding a simple one
[18:57:20] <Nikhil61>	 florent
[18:58:58] <florent>	 Nikhil61: you would like any bug related to end-to-end testing (i.e. manipulating the browser and test the result given by the system), or you would like any kind of test?
[18:59:26] <wm-bb>	 <Nikhil> the first one
[18:59:41] <florent>	 OK! :)
[19:07:35] <florent>	 Right now, I am not available, but I'd be glad to help in 12hours-14hours if that's OK for you
[19:07:55] <wm-bb>	 <Nikhil> yay it's okk
[19:07:56] <wm-bb>	 <Nikhil> Thanks
[19:07:57] <florent>	 I attempted to create some query, but unfortunately didn't work
[19:08:03] <florent>	 You're welcome!
[19:24:41] <kindrobot>	 Nikhil61 have you made your own functions on beta cluster yet? I think making a function, and implementation, and a tester will be a huge asset for when you start working on the e2e tests.
[20:05:44] <wm-bb>	 <vrandecic> Thanks Nikki @AracasDragon  @lectrician1 ! It is really good to hear that feedback
[21:30:26] <wm-bb>	 <AracasDragon> Recently I've been working a bit with modules to generate some content directly from wikidata (basically, about the results of elections in Switzerland) and hope to be able to port it to french and German wikipedias as well, it'll be so much easier once we have wikifunctions
[23:00:50] <wm-bb>	 <amire80> Hallo
[23:01:13] <wm-bb>	 <amire80> There's a new group name, "Functioneers".
[23:01:22] <wm-bb>	 <amire80> https://translatewiki.net/w/i.php?title=MediaWiki:Group-functioneer/hr&action=edit
[23:01:45] <wm-bb>	 <amire80> Who is it supposed to include? Which permissions does it give?
[23:02:42] <wm-bb>	 <amire80> Is it something like "Function developers"? Or "People who perform administrative functions"? Or something else?
[23:07:46] <quiddity>	 @amire80 I found 3 relevant lines of details in https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T282914 -- Does that help? (Should it be included in the qqq or similar?  If so, perhaps mention that reminder in the task?)
[23:09:06] <wm-bb>	 <amire80> A good beginning
[23:09:44] <wm-bb>	 <amire80> https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/c/mediawiki/extensions/WikiLambda/+/887795/ says: "assign the connect/disconnect rights to Functioneer and the higher-end ones to Maintainers"
[23:09:56] <wm-bb>	 <amire80> Does this mean that "Maintainer" has more rights than "Functioneer"?
[23:13:00] <wm-bb>	 <amire80> And yes, it should be mentioned in qqq for clarity. I (or anyone with a translatewiki account) can just do it by editing the /qqq page on translatewiki. Would something like this make sense?
[23:13:00] <wm-bb>	 <amire80> 
[23:13:02] <wm-bb>	 <amire80> 1. In WikiLambda, "functioneers" are users who have some more rights for developing functions.
[23:13:04] <wm-bb>	 <amire80> 
[23:13:05] <wm-bb>	 <amire80> 1. In WikiLambda, "maintainers" are users who have the full rights to develop and modify functions.
[23:15:12] <quiddity>	 I *think* that "maintainer" is the same as the "superfunctioneer" keyword that is used within the phab task description. (Naming things is hard!) If that is correct, then your draft wording is an accurate starter (and we can amend as needed in the days ahead).