[05:18:51] So how do I ask for permissions? [05:19:14] I'd like to test Wikifunctions' localization. [05:19:27] I cannot edit https://www.wikifunctions.org/wiki/Wikifunctions:Apply_for_editing [06:12:18] Yep, no edit until a few days/a week (re @amire80: I cannot edit https://www.wikifunctions.org/wiki/Wikifunctions:Apply_for_editing) [06:13:20] Btw, @amire80, is there anything planned on Translatewiki for wikifunctions? [06:14:50] What do you mean exactly? (re @Nicolas: Btw, @amire80, is there anything planned on Translatewiki for wikifunctions?) [06:15:01] Nothing special as far as I know. [07:57:56] I'm guessing there will be specific messages to translate, will they all be easy to find? Could we do some sort of challenge to translate them all? (re @amire80: What do you mean exactly?) [08:00:39] The Wikilambda extension has been available for translation for a while. [08:01:46] It's 100% done in French, but you're welcome to review: https://translatewiki.net/wiki/Special:Translate?filter=&action=proofread&language=fr&group=ext-wikilambda [08:03:16] The special thing with Wikifunctions is that some things come from the extension, but some things come from the site itself—labels of objects, functions, parameter (input) names, etc. [08:03:26] It's probably quite similar to how it works with labels of items and properties on Wikidata. [08:04:00] The advantage is that it's flexible and self-documenting. The disadvantage is that there's no convenient way to translate 100% of something. [08:05:32] On translatewiki, I can see that there are X messages in an extension, and I can translate 100% of them. When the extension is update, I can translate the new things and bring it back to 100%. On Wikidata, there's no such mechanism. There's an old request for it: https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T64695 [08:06:11] It will probably be the same with Wikifunctions, at least initially, and AFAIK, there's no particular plan to address it. [08:13:22] Oh, going back to the simpler thing of translating the extension: Nicolas, you probably _should_ review it and perhaps discuss with other French translators how to do it. Recently, most instances of "Z" were removed, and words like ZObject and ZFunction became just Object and Function. But the French translation still uses "Z" in a bunch of translations, and they aren't marked as [08:13:22] outdated. I think there's no reason to keep them in French if they were removed from English, but decide for yourself. (re @amire80: It's 100% done in French, but you're welcome to review: https://translatewiki.net/wiki/Special:Translate?filter=&action=proofrea...) [11:02:37] When will it be possible to apply for edit rights on the wiki? [11:02:55] I was wanting to add some items to the proposed functions page.. [11:03:16] Ideally , I was going to link the relevant enwiki page. [11:04:40] because one think should be present, are the Spearman Rank test, used to calculate if there's a statisticaly significant link between two datasets. [11:05:08] as per current timeline, editing will be open on Aug 1, and concurrently asking for edit rights will be open from the same day [11:05:17] being able to do that with statistical fields in Wikidata might be useful [11:05:22] we might take some time to evaluate the request first [11:06:21] The relevant function I was wanting to suggest being detailed here - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Spearman%27s_rank_correlation_coefficient [11:06:35] There are other statistical tests that could be added. [11:07:06] Not sure where you'd find "free" tables to check results against though [11:10:40] Wikipedia has articles on a number of other statistical tests:- [11:10:42] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Category:Statistical_tests [11:11:15] The thinking behind this is that given suitable data in Wikidata , source claims could be fact checked :) [12:42:14] has anyone designed cute topicons for the various wikifunctions user groups yet? :-) [13:21:46] this is pretty low on the priority list, but I hope the favicon will get some more love, because this doesn’t look great to me : https://tools-static.wmflabs.org/bridgebot/d6567ada/file_50341.jpg [14:09:28] Yes, there is a lot of reviews to do... (but less than expected 😉) (re @amire80: Oh, going back to the simpler thing of translating the extension: Nicolas, you probably should review it and perhaps discuss wit...) [14:13:01] also, from a quick glance, I see strange things... [14:13:01] How did you translated "functionneers" in your language? [14:13:02] I also see a lot of Wikilabda (in the translation doc) that should probably be removed [14:18:02] For Hebrew I used a bit of wordplay. I used a word that means both "writers" and "connectors". Because these are people who have a permission to connect functions, and also some other permissions for function writing. [14:18:29] I'm just lucky that I have such a word in my language. [14:19:14] Most other languages just used something that sounds similar to the English word https://translatewiki.net/w/i.php?title=Special:Translations&message=MediaWiki%3AGroup-functioneer%2Ffr [14:21:24] I saw it, but French translation literally means "civil servant" which is weird... (re @amire80: Most other languages just used something that sounds similar to the English word https://translatewiki.net/w/i.php?title=Special...) [15:08:28] should [[Main Page]] be redirected or deleted? (since it'll be different than all the other mainspace page) [15:11:59] I’m inclined to agree with Legoktm that hacks are bad (https://www.wikidata.org/w/index.php?title=Special:Log&logid=80663267) [15:12:17] (i.e., delete) [15:13:32] deleted it with that very motivation [15:13:42] thanks for noticing, my first deletion on Wikifunctions [15:19:41] (if anyone’s curious, the content was something like “This wiki is reserved for the creation of a Wikipedia in English” iirc – some standard content for new language editions, less suitable for wikifunctions ;)) [15:38:21] well, 'Wikimedia in English' but yeah [15:56:43] Now you can technically say you were the first admin to delete the main page :) (re @Sannita: thanks for noticing, it's my first deletion on Wikifunctions :)) [15:57:02] don’t give anyone ideas!! ;) [16:04:37] Passing note, not yet looked to see if its been reported — sometimes, if you go to https://www.wikifunctions.org/view/en/Z10004, you will get "Page not found", but if you refresh two or three times, it works [16:04:49] https://usercontent.irccloud-cdn.com/file/vOM6QZnc/Screenshot%202023-07-27%20at%2017.03.02.png [16:05:29] works for me at the first attempt [16:05:39] maybe it's just a cache problem [16:06:37] may well have been (it was consistent for me, appears to have been a similar issue for someone else) [16:07:52] we will look into it, hopefully it will solve [16:08:41] it's a cache problem, the /view URLs were fixed this morning [16:08:48] TheresNoTime: thanks for reporting. I had the same on first try, but after a hard refresh it got fixed. If anyone sees that consistently, please report [16:09:17] taavi: ah okay, makes sense [16:09:18] TheresNoTime: you can use purgeList.php if you spot broken pages [16:09:25] o7 [16:09:52] * TheresNoTime only noticed as they were trying to show wikifunctions off to people on mastodon :D [16:14:17] ah yes `echo 'https://www.wikifunctions.org/view/en/Z10004' | mwscript purgeList.php` has resolved the issue consistently for me [16:37:27] /view@wmtelegram_bot [17:10:26] lucaswerkmeister: heh, the backstory is that I figured out how to create a wikitext page in ns0 via importing, did it, and then got told off on IRC so I deleted it :p [17:11:11] tsk [17:25:08] Wikifunctions.org is live in _locked-down mode_. The team is currently finalising configuration and doing bug-fixing due to the differences between Beta-cluster and Production. [17:25:10] [17:25:11] Public editing-access is expected *on/after August 1*. [17:25:13] [17:25:14] More info about our release plan at https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Abstract_Wikipedia/Updates/2023-07-20 [17:25:50] (I should've made the PSA sound first) [19:16:12] Question! Will wikifunction functions be able to make external web requests (going to guess no) [19:17:48] Unrelated but I can't wait to see the mess that is going to be unit conversion functions [20:06:12] Is that not a solved problem? [20:11:34] Unless it's been talked about before and I missed it, I think it's going to be messy having an exponential amount of functions for unit conversions [20:11:47] coordinate conversion functions [20:12:21] Unless we restrict it (for example, only conversions to and from metric), or build in some kind of measure classes [20:12:25] well you will compose the functions so it not that man (re @AracasDragon: Unless it's been talked about before and I missed it, I think it's going to be messy having an exponential amount of functions f...) [20:13:12] On some wikis unit conversation is solved, on others not. With Wikifunctions we hope to provide a solution that works for all Wikimedia projects. [20:14:14] TheresNoTime: We have no plans to enable external Web requests any time soon. First we need to allow access to Wikidata items, and use in Wikipedia (and other wiki) articles, before we think about third party site fetches, but it's not absolutely out of the question forever. [20:14:33] oh that's interesting..! [20:14:35] Not initially and not for a while, but it's on the wishlist. There are a gazillion questions to be answered around security and safety. (re @wmtelegram_bot: Question! Will wikifunction functions be able to make external web requests (going to guess no)) [20:15:17] James beat me to a better question faster [20:15:25] *answer [20:16:42] Wouldn't it mean separate articles/pages/z-objects still? (re @iamsabas: well you will compose the functions so it not that many) [20:16:46] "Use in Wikipedia (and other wiki articles)" is BIG in every imaginable sense. [20:20:27] Depends how you model it. If you do "inches to cm: number -> number" you need a quadratic number of functions. If you do "convert: number, unit, unit -> number" you need one function. (re @AracasDragon: Wouldn't it mean separate articles/pages/z-objects still?) [20:20:37] Up to us to figure that out [20:20:45] amire80: Indeed! [20:23:52] Make a function that just runs the current {{convert}} code. [20:23:52] Write tests for it. [20:23:53] Gradually change all the internals, but make sure the tests pass. [20:23:55] Repeat for half a million more templates. [20:23:56] Profit. (re @vrandecic: Depends how you model it. If you do "inches to cm: number -> number" you need a quadratic number of functions. If you do "conver...) [20:26:31] That's a bit more work than I was planning for [20:26:32] Exactly (re @vrandecic: Depends how you model it. If you do "inches to cm: number -> number" you need a quadratic number of functions. If you do "conver...) [20:29:40] Though how would the unit names be modeled? Strings? Separate z-objects as types? Some people will probably want to add in more than just international (metric) & US customary (imperial) [20:32:50] Objects of their own [20:32:58] So they can be translated [20:33:35] The same way eras are or months are modeled right now on the beta [20:34:07] https://wikifunctions.beta.wmflabs.org/view/en/Z10426 [20:35:08] Ahh right I missed that [20:35:12] Thanks ^^ [20:38:17] If you'd ask me, I'd try to reuse the Wikidata Quantity data type as a starting point, and make sure it's compatible with that, so that things easily work together [20:38:21] https://wikidata.org/wiki/Help:Data_type#quantity [22:04:05] especially enwiki due to community views on Wikidata (re @amire80: "Use in Wikipedia (and other wiki articles)" is BIG in every imaginable sense.) [22:42:00] I created the user icon category on commons https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Category:Wikifunctions_user_rights_icons with the usual set for anyone who wants to mess with that [22:42:34] Much thanks! I saw the "page link" notifications trickling in, and was appreciating them all!