[00:51:21] I wonder how fast it is on a computer. I am about to get a new one delivered tomorrow, which has a bunch of RAM, so I expect it to work fine. But on the other hand I am actually going to try to convince some folks at Ukrainian Wikiconference to edit WF, and I am kinda feeling apprehensive as to how the experience would look like on a slower computer (8 or 4 or less GBs of RAM). I [00:51:21] guess I should try to test it. Unfortunately Wikipedians often happen to have not the newest hardware available... [00:54:07] Well, I have created at least one Wikipedia article back on my Nokia 5500 Sport with a 208×208 px monitor, and it is also a phone where I have spent hundreds of hours of my life in, from playing j2me games to learning html and other things... So modern phones are actually quite spaceful, although I miss having a proper 10 button keyboard you could type texts without looking at t [00:54:07] he phone or even taking it out of your pocket with, as opposed to the modern day touch screen nonsense 😅 (re @Nikki: I can imagine that it works nicely for some people, I'm just not one of them. I find mobiles frustrating for any sort of extende...) [02:16:31] Privyet, Base! [02:17:28] Well, hopefully someone here knows the usage of mw.Api() [02:19:09] as I said, it works for some people. I used phones with similar sized screens (and ones much smaller too) in the past too and, sure, in comparison modern phones are more spacious, but that doesn't make them feel spacious compared to a normal computer for me (re @Thecladis: Well, I have created at least one Wikipedia article back on my Nokia 5500 Sport with a 208×208 px monitor, [02:19:11] and it is also a phon...) [02:19:44] (in fact, I started writing that on my phone, got tired of not being able to write as fast as I normal and switched to the computer to finish typing) [02:24:42] What about it? (re @cvictorovich: Well, hopefully someone here knows the usage of mw.Api()) [02:26:13] I do that too, but with much longer posts :) The bigger walls of text you might have seen from me in other chats, those are the kind that usually make me get off my bed and take a proper seat in front of the computer. Because strangers on the Internet are wrong! (re @Nikki: (in fact, I started writing that on my phone, got tired of not being able to write as fast as I normal and [02:26:14] switched to the compu...) [02:27:13] I think in terms of pixels phones now are on par with at least laptops, but of course the pixels are much smaller... (re @Nikki: as I said, it works for some people. I used phones with similar sized screens (and ones much smaller too) in the past too and, s...) [02:29:19] That's about MW extension development (re @Thecladis: What about it?) [02:29:44] Ah, yeah, found some more context in Hackathon channel :) [02:30:06] And its different usage with $.getJSON [02:30:26] I've been asking different people on these matters [02:30:44] This is what I'm encountering [02:30:48] I use mw.api to run some simple scripts such as the ones I have saved here, https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/User:Base/Scripts , but nothing complex, would not be able to help with your stuff [02:32:26] Are you in MW discord channel? [02:32:45] You can see even much more contexts over there [02:55:05] I technically am, but I am taking a break from Discord for the last few months, so I am only installing it when I need to poke some people there 🙂 [02:56:21] Maybe you can see it on web client, if you don't mind [03:11:45] When will languages other than python and js be added? [03:12:11] Perhaps later :) (re @cvictorovich: Maybe you can see it on web client, if you don't mind) [03:12:26] It's okay (re @Thecladis: Perhaps later :)) [03:21:29] It would be nice if there was a button to disable syntax highlighting. On mobile when syntax highlighting is enabled it is often impossible to select stuff, etc, so I would usually disable it to obtain more smooth experience : https://tools-static.wmflabs.org/bridgebot/005da0c5/file_53164.jpg [03:21:56] Not in the next month or quarter, but we don't want to push it too far into the future (re @Thecladis: When will languages other than python and js be added?) [03:23:47] (I guess it is kinda funny Lua isn't supported at the moment, given it is the only language the rest of MW is "taught" to understand) [03:24:05] I never noticed that! That's a neat idea. Would you file a task? (re @Thecladis: It would be nice if there was a button to disable syntax highlighting. On mobile when syntax highlighting is enabled it is often...) [03:24:58] It's a bit intentional to manage expectations. Also MW Lua isn't exactly Lua. Still, Lua is high on my list, but needs a bit more care than many other languages. (re @Thecladis: (I guess it is kinda funny Lua isn't supported at the moment, given it is the only language the rest of MW is "taught" to unders...) [03:26:39] I guess it is not the most important programming language generally, but might be one of the languages a substantial number of Wikimedians are familiar with. It is kinda like SPARQL is a very niche thing outside of Wikibase world :) [03:28:29] What is WikiBase interface based on? [03:28:46] Does it require JavaScript enabled? [03:34:56] Mostly. Some things would redirect you to special pages which work without js if you don't have it enabled (or if page didn't properly load), but the normal view is js based, unfortunately (re @cvictorovich: Does it require JavaScript enabled?) [03:35:25] WikiLambda requires js [03:35:38] (Unfortunately, because WD is also quite a behemoth that takes ages to load when you open a properly filled out item) (re @Thecladis: Mostly. Some things would redirect you to special pages which work without js if you don't have it enabled (or if page didn't pr...) [03:35:43] https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T348295 (re @vrandecic: I never noticed that! That's a neat idea. Would you file a task?) [05:07:47] Regarding the performance issues, I've stumbled upon some, too (it was in August though and I'm unsure if still applies): T343663 [17:34:28] Yeah, that specific one I remember. [18:47:35] Meta is down! [18:47:53] MediaWiki internal error. [18:47:54] [18:47:55] Original exception: [7e133fde-5306-4fe6-9d28-93547cd4fdde] 2023-10-06 18:47:13: Fatal exception of type "InvalidArgumentException" [18:47:57] [18:47:58] Exception caught inside exception handler. [18:48:00] [18:48:01] Set $wgShowExceptionDetails = true; at the bottom of LocalSettings.php to show detailed debugging information. [18:53:48] @cvictorovich it must be either a regional error, or a momentary error, because meta-wiki loads normally for me. Also, this isn't an ideal place to report (or ask about) errors that are unrelated to Wikifunctions/Abstract Wikipedia! Try #wikimedia-tech for that kind of thing. [18:54:43] (ah, I should clarify that is an IRC channel. A better pointer would be https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/How_to_report_a_bug ) [18:55:22] I logged in on mobile chrome and saw the error [18:55:51] When logged-out on mobile safari it was normal [18:56:29] iOS 17 [19:37:25] (A Wikimedia hosted page might not be the best location to point people experiencing problems opening Wikimedia hosted sites to 🙃) [19:37:25] (Though I guess in this case it is fine as the user has found a way to access wikis) (re @wmtelegram_bot: (ah, I should clarify that is an IRC channel. A better pointer would be https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/How_to_report_...)