[01:07:35] I would expect it to be the same in many languages - the raining isn't being done by the person talking about it or the person listening, so it doesn't make sense to use first or second person [01:10:39] and subjects being required or verbs being conjugated for person isn't uncommon [01:12:45] the presence of "it" and "il" in those sentences is a manifestation of the https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Extended_projection_principle [01:15:15] this would not be an EPP manifestation in my view because a zeroth-person sentence could be grammaticality modified to refer to someone specific, whereas this isn't possible for "it" or "il" (unless the meaning of "rain" is changed) (re @Nicolas: When the subject is unknown/undefined, like in English "one says" or "we all know") [07:46:01] of course, "hiriv e labourer" (today one/we work, undefined) can become any conjugation once the subject is known : "hiriv e labouromp ("today we work, true we defined"), "hiriv a labouran" (today, I work, the we was me), "hiriv a labourez" (today you work, the we was you) and so on (re @mahir256: this would not be an EPP manifestation in my view because a zeroth-person sentence [07:46:02] could be grammaticality modified to refer to ...) [20:36:22] Interesting. In Portuguese we can use the reflexive in some cases, e.g. "hoje trabalha-se" (not sure how to translate it...) whereas in other cases we just use the third person omitting the pronoun, e.g. "chove". (re @Nicolas: of course, "hiriv e labourer" (today one/we work, undefined) can become any conjugation once the subject is known : "hiriv e lab...) [20:38:28] What is from your point of view a good function in Wikifunctions to present the functionality of Wikifunctions to interested people. I plan to present Wikifunctions at the beginning of January in a local Hackspace where I am a member, so a place where people meet who are interested in programming. [21:48:36] We should also ask the same question about the functions on the title page. I think their selection could be refreshed. [21:49:08] Personally, I like Z10944 for such an audience [21:50:04] Or maybe Z10816 [21:50:38] For non programmers, I go for Z10846 and tell the story of the computer in 2001 [21:51:08] Z10012 also is good for non programmers I found [21:51:53] If there is interest in linguistics, one of the morphological functions in the given language [21:53:10] I showed Z11353 to an Igbo speaker last week, and honestly, her eyes lightened up seeing a function for her language. That was beautiful. [21:54:09] I would avoid something that's already in the standard library of most programming languages for that audience [22:24:25] yeah, I think a good function is completely subjective. it can be the most impressive function you've ever seen but if it's not something that interests the other person, it's not likely to excite them [22:32:11] so I'd recommend thinking about what the target audience is likely to find interesting/useful, and it's a good idea to have an idea of which functions are already available in general, in case anyone asks something like "can it do x?" [22:40:15] and I agree with what denny said, if it's something they can already easily do, people are likely to wonder why they should use wikifunctions instead, rather than immediately get how it would be useful