[02:24:42] Is there a response or explainer page that explains how Abstract Wikipedia's goals align or conflict with the capabilities of LLMs? [02:29:35] I think the paper introducing Abstract Wikipedia covers that: https://arxiv.org/abs/2004.04733 [02:34:45] Section 10.4 [02:35:10] Maybe we have something more current too, in the Updates [12:58:53] created [[Template:Deprecated function]] and [[Category:Deprecated functions]] for now (re @vrandecic: I would put the talk page into category deprecated function. It would make sense to eventually have an approach better supported...) [12:59:32] (and I have no idea how translatable templates work and {{TNT}} doesn’t really explain it either so someone else will have to take care of that I’m afraid) [13:00:01] I thought that TNT thing was supposed to be unnecessary now [14:20:39] this isn’t very helpful :/ : https://tools-static.wmflabs.org/bridgebot/55c4896e/file_56413.jpg [14:21:07] (the actual error is that I tried to reuse the label of the other function, in English and German… so I guess I’ll change that one to “deprecated: …” first) : https://tools-static.wmflabs.org/bridgebot/918bce8b/file_56414.jpg [14:33:58] created Z12689 / Z12693, but it’s not working yet, “Executor returned some nonsense” :( [14:35:15] ah, it helps if you write correct Python it turns out [14:35:47] (I had used `!` instead of `not`) [16:03:41] do you know what the replacement is? just normal `` markup? (re @Nikki: I thought that TNT thing was supposed to be unnecessary now) [16:23:46] Wikidata Lexeme Forms now supports functions that return lists of strings in addition to strings, in case anyone wants to update their templates [16:23:47] Forwarded from wmtelegram_bot: !log tools.lexeme-forms deployed ea6b02ac57 (Wikifunctions returning lists, Z11991→Z12689) [16:37:38] TNT is unnecessary for templates translated with the translate extension on translatable pages, you can just use normal template markup. [16:39:09] as long as the "enable translation aware transclusion" option was ticked the last time the template was marked for translation [16:42:48] Oh that's useful! Because Croatian adjectives have a few variants that don't differ in their grammatical features. This allows me to simplify the form a bit! Thank you (re @lucaswerkmeister: Wikidata Lexeme Forms now supports functions that return lists of strings in addition to strings, in case anyone wants to update...) [16:48:08] AntiComposite: alright, I added around the template text [17:02:13] Now available for translation [17:06:10] thanks [17:06:45] took me a few minutes to figure out how to actually translate it (I eventually had to hand-edit the URL to `?setlang` since the non-ULS language selector didn’t permanently set the language) [17:06:57] I don’t see the translated version on [[Talk:Z11991]] though [17:18:48] oh, that's probably because the page language is english [17:25:41] can someone please tell me how I'm supposed to change the interface language now? [17:27:36] in https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T342937 jdforrester told me to use "the real language change control" that wikifunctions provides but never answered my question of where I'm supposed to find that [17:30:54] Well it is at the top of the page of v22 and if you use anything else I cant see the language switcher so I guess you may be stuck going through your preferences? [17:32:45] surely having to go to the preferences isn't the intended way?? [17:36:25] It appears that it is just expected that everyone uses v22 and all other skins are more of an afterthought [17:37:37] If there actually is no language switcher for vector, I will probably just make it so that the language switcher is only hidden for v22 next time i log into my account [17:38:15] Making language switching only available through preferences isnt great [17:38:55] not even an afterthought, it would seem, since that comment was a reply to me saying that it's not possible to change the language in vector or monobook