[00:51:34] Could we add something to the Common.js and create a template that displays a reply link without needing a ~~~~? [08:19:07] Am seeking feedback on [[WF:Tests]], feel free to comment here or on the talk page [08:19:15] that's not real inclusion though. if we're serious about being a multilingual project, then english cannot be the only guaranteed language (how would you feel if everything was written in chinese by default and there was a 66% chance that any policy that you're expected to follow will be adopted without having been translated into english?) (re @Feeglgeef: I'm not so [08:19:16] sure about n [08:19:16] eeding all of those. I think we should require: [08:19:18] English [08:19:19] And at least 2 of: [08:19:21] French [08:19:22] Russian [08:19:24] Spanish [08:19:25] Chinese...) [08:19:36] and I suggested those languages because they're languages which are official in a lot of countries where english is not [08:21:51] Well, someone should probably translate it for me then 🤷 (re @Nikki: that's not real inclusion though. if we're serious about being a multilingual project, then english cannot be the only guarantee...) [08:22:08] it's not required. you're still expected to follow it though [08:22:58] I think it's counterproductive to expect a policy in 6 languages before establishing it [08:23:10] When it becomes a policy it can be translated [08:23:38] how can people who don't speak english have a say in how the project should work, if we adopt policies before they know what the policy says? [08:23:58] it's basically colonialism again [08:24:03] Learn English 🤷 (re @Nikki: how can people who don't speak english have a say in how the project should work, if we adopt policies before they know what the...) [08:24:07] Lmfao (re @Nikki: it's basically colonialism again) [08:24:25] how inclusive of you. whatever [08:24:30] All communication around the project happens in English (re @Nikki: how can people who don't speak english have a say in how the project should work, if we adopt policies before they know what the...) [08:24:52] Should we require everyone put their message in 6 languages [08:24:54] ? [08:26:53] Sollten wir verlangen, dass jeder seine Nachricht in 6 Sprachen eingibt? [08:28:58] Deberíamos exigir que todos escriban su mensaje en 6 idiomas? [08:30:54] Colonialism is literally why all 5 of the languages you said we should require are popular (re @Nikki: how inclusive of you. whatever) [08:34:30] I thought that the answer tool could do this automatically (re @Feeglgeef: Could we add something to the Common.js and create a template that displays a reply link without needing a ~~~~?) [08:34:56] What's the answer tool (re @Ameisenigel: I thought that the answer tool could do this automatically) [08:35:53] Well yes, but you need a user page link and a time which is really unideal (re @Ameisenigel: I thought that the answer tool could do this automatically) [08:36:37] Ideally it's something like "Add a comment" and we can put it with a template [08:37:13] This would be fine by giving said link a class with an on click action to open it [08:37:21] https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Help:DiscussionTools (re @Feeglgeef: What's the answer tool) [08:37:42] Ahh yeah I know what that is (re @Ameisenigel: https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Help:DiscussionTools) [08:37:54] I'd like to put it in whereever [10:41:23] that's not constructive, and that's not the first time you reply in an insensitive manner, please be aware that this behaviour is not allowed (re @Feeglgeef: Learn English 🤷) [11:15:14] I was replying with an answer for "how can people who don't speak english have a say in how the project should work, if we adopt policies before they know what the policy says?" If you don't want an answer to a question please don't ask it :) (re @Sannita: that's not constructive, and that's not the first time you reply in an insensitive manner, please be aware [11:15:14] that this behaviour i...) [11:19:46] again, mind your answers (re @Feeglgeef: I was replying with an answer for "how can people who don't speak english have a say in how the project should work, if we adopt...) [11:20:15] the whole scope of Wikifunctions is to make people able to contribute, also if they don't know English [11:20:42] creating a welcoming environment for such people is one of our goals, you just cannot reply to people "learn English" if we want to reach it [11:20:54] Well, given that you are communicating to me in English, I don't think we're doing a great job at that (re @Sannita: the whole scope of Wikifunctions is to make people able to contribute, also if they don't know English) [11:20:59] so the note about making policy translatable is a good point [11:21:03] That's what I've been trying to point out [11:22:37] The thing that I disagree with is misdirecting our efforts towards removing anglocentrism when there are much more important problems to deal with [11:24:28] I'm completely for it, though [16:47:38] I've nominated [[Z21373]] for function of the week [18:57:16] I do not think that it is appropriate to call other people annoying: https://www.wikifunctions.org/w/index.php?title=User:Feeglgeef/markUsers.js&curid=46384&diff=154391&oldid=154115 [19:52:31] I forgot that everyone can see that [19:52:39] Sorry :) [20:44:40] Do you know some volunteers who can translate it into other languages and are interested in looking at it after initial translation. I think it is difficult to find enough people who are interested in working on it for a longer time. At the moment the activity in Wikifunctions is not so high. So I like the discussions happening at the moment. Hopefully it will be [20:44:40] possible to find [20:44:40] ways to enable more people to contribute to Wikifunctions. I really like Spreadsheetsfunctions and want to work on a way they can be used to write functions this year. From my point of view it is the best way if it is possible to understand Wikifunctions without reading a lot of documentation. Another thing could be creating some boiler plates and then try to make [20:44:40] the documentat [20:44:42] ion based on abstract text. [20:45:40] That would be nice should we get the technical ability (re @hogue_456: Do you know some volunteers who can translate it into other languages and are interested in looking at it after initial translat...) [20:46:51] On the same note as above, I think this is the wrong place to start our anti-anglocentrism efforts [23:15:26] Can anyone help me get unbanned from Wikimedia General? [23:15:32] I'm very sorry for what I did [23:16:13] I will forward your message in the group if you come up with a good and substantive apology. The decision is up to the admins there though. [23:17:47] (I have thus been uninvolved in this and probably will remain so in the future too, I'm just proposing acting as the message forwarder, because I have seen Feeglgeef have very good contributions in discussions in the past and I want to give a chance for good will) [23:23:14] I appologize for my actions inside of the group. I understand that my actions constitute trolling, and I promise to refrain from such in the future. I deeply apologize for the trouble I have caused. [23:23:27] That good?