[04:51:39] Feeglgeef I've reverted your change to 1/1million. Here's a shorter example to demonstrate that the current implementation doesn't work anymore: : https://tools-static.wmflabs.org/bridgebot/dd52e3af/file_68109.jpg [09:33:50] we're looking at making small improvements to the collapsed view of wikidata function calls. we're thinking about using the same visual notation that we use for the expanded view. how do you generally feel about this proposed solution? : https://tools-static.wmflabs.org/bridgebot/c76ef8c2/file_68113.jpg [09:36:23] the overall goal is to make the collased function calls less verbose, and hopefully more readable at a glance [09:40:12] I’d include the ID as well, then we’ll also know what sort of item it is and precisely which one, without having to follow the link to Wikidata. (re @internetam1n: the overall goal is to make the collased function calls less verbose, and hopefully more readable at a glance) [09:45:36] Looks great to me. We can always expand it if we want more info. (re @internetam1n: the overall goal is to make the collased function calls less verbose, and hopefully more readable at a glance) [09:46:43] maybe we can hover over "dog" and our browser will show us the link URL? Personally an LID doesn't help me anyway. (re @Al: I’d include the ID as well, then we’ll also know what sort of item it is and precisely which one, without having to follow the l...) [09:47:01] We already don’t see the ID in the expanded version 🙄 (re @Toby: Looks great to me. We can always expand it if we want more info.) [09:47:15] how do you feel about relying on the outer function? i'm trying to understand if the sort of item could be implicity given by the functon call (re @Al: I’d include the ID as well, then we’ll also know what sort of item it is and precisely which one, without having to follow the l...) [09:49:39] You can expand three times :) : https://tools-static.wmflabs.org/bridgebot/9f456161/file_68114.jpg [09:49:41] it's visible, but after a few expands (on first expand thou the function argument is already labeled "lexeme" thou) : https://tools-static.wmflabs.org/bridgebot/c073a80b/file_68115.mp4 [09:49:55] haha toby was faster [09:50:13] yours was way fancier though - don't delete! (re @internetam1n: haha toby was faster) [09:51:39] Ideally I think it would show on the second expand... [09:55:42] Sure, but that’s not “readable at a glance” (it’s also inconsistent with Wikidata). (re @internetam1n: how do you feel about relying on the outer function? i'm trying to understand if the sort of item could be implicity given by th...) [10:00:57] 🤔 I don’t think hover tips help mobile users in any way 🤷‍♂️ (re @Toby: maybe we can hover over "dog" and our browser will show us the link URL? Personally an LID doesn't help me anyway.) [10:04:51] True. Mobile use is one of my blind spots. Even on Wikidata on my mobile I routinely scroll down and request the desktop view. (re @Al: 🤔 I don’t think hover tips help mobile users in any way 🤷‍♂️) [10:06:12] “Serious” functions may be more deeply nested. Although it can be convenient to collapse parts of the full expansion, I suspect full expansion is a more common intention. (re @internetam1n: it's visible, but after a few expands (on first expand thou the function argument is already labeled "lexeme")) [10:09:38] I often follow only one pathway of expansions. I wouldn't want the entire tree to open automatically. (re @Al: “Serious” functions may be more deeply nested. Although it can be convenient to collapse parts of the full expansion, I suspect ...) [10:11:10] I agree that consistency with Wikidata is valuable here. I don't oppose swapping to "dog (L1122)" (re @Al: Sure, but that’s not “readable at a glance” (it’s also inconsistent with Wikidata).) [10:21:11] Well, the option would be nice… It’s really an inverted view that we need here, because the value is interpreted with respect to its immediate context, or that context’s context… (re @Toby: I often follow only one pathway of expansions. I wouldn't want the entire tree to open automatically.) [10:32:16] …or “dog (L1122-F1)” or “dog (Q144)” or “dog (L1122-S1)”…? (re @Toby: I agree that consistency with Wikidata is valuable here. I don't oppose swapping to "dog (L1122)") [12:03:31] The LID is not always essential but could be very useful (especially for homograph, "center" as a noun and as a verb for instance, the "tour" is three separate nouns in French) so it should be easily available [13:44:45] thank you all for the feedback shared so far! i have a follow up quesiton if i may: how important is to see the exact/full LID? [16:56:24] Newsletter #186: [16:56:26] * Welcome, David! [16:56:27] * Naming conventions recommendations [16:56:28] * Recent Changes in the Software [16:56:30] * Denny’s New Year’s resolution: More on-wiki, less in external channels [16:56:31] * Fresh functions weekly [16:56:33] https://www.wikifunctions.org/wiki/Wikifunctions:Status_updates/2025-01-22 [21:08:28] I like if there is a higher focus on discussions in the Wiki. My experience so far is a low number of answer after a request on wiki. Here in this Telegram channel there is a high propability of getting an answer. As I like wiki discussions I will see how it will change in the next weeks. [21:46:21] I don't think it's that important (especially to a non-editor, ideally they should never have to touch raw IDs)? It shouldn't be difficult to reach though. (re @internetam1n: thank you all for the feedback shared so far! i have a follow up quesiton if i may: how important is to see the exact/full LID?) [21:46:46] [[WF:PC]] is usually pretty active... Where are you asking things onwiki and not getting a response? (re @hogue_456: I like if there is a higher focus on discussions in the Wiki. My experience so far is a low number of answer after a request on ...) [21:46:48] Yeah (re @Toby: Ideally I think it would show on the second expand...) [21:47:59] Huh? The last non-staff message was 2 weeks ago (re @MolecularPilot: [[WF:PC]] is usually pretty active... Where are you asking things onwiki and not getting a response?) [21:48:16] The Telegram averages about a message per hour [21:48:35] The Telegram is at least 50x as active [21:53:59] I wanted to discuss how to proceed with Abstract Wikipedia after reading a newsletter. This is the section where I asked. https://www.wikifunctions.org/wiki/Wikifunctions:Project_chat/Archive/2024/12#Sketching_a_path_to_Abstract_Wikipedia I will try to discuss it maybe again after I experimented a bit with it. [21:58:24] I meant if you post something there someone will likely reply... But posts don't come to too often (re @Feeglgeef: Huh? The last non-staff message was 2 weeks ago)