[03:02:43] After months of searching for a side hustle, I found something that actually works https://t.me/earn_with_BlockVest. I started with a small investment, and now I'm making more in a week than I used to make in a month. Instant withdrawals, easy-to-use platform, and no hidden fees. I highly recommend it! [10:49:26] I'm getting failures at Z25785. Reached time limit in orchestrator (time limit: "10000 ms") : https://tools-static.wmflabs.org/bridgebot/8c4fffb7/file_74308.jpg [10:53:32] Also at (more fundamental) Z21930 : https://tools-static.wmflabs.org/bridgebot/64b6ac43/file_74309.jpg [10:58:05] I was about to say… Do any of the necessary functions prefer a Python implementation? There was misbehaviour yesterday *T373607.* (re @u99of9: Also at (more fundamental) Z21930) [10:58:48] Completely wrong ticket, sorry! (re @wikilinksbot: T373607 – Tests whose evaluation results in an error showing as Passed [open]) [10:59:17] Yes, deep down it comes down to Z19901 Z19933 Z19943 which are all Python, and all fail with voids. [10:59:18] *T406784* (re @Al: Completely wrong ticket, sorry!) [11:03:00] That would do it! Will you raise a ticket or shall I? We could look at providing JavaScript implementations for such critical functions too. (re @u99of9: Yes, deep down it comes down to Z19901 Z19933 Z19943 which are all Python, and all fail with voids.) [11:03:54] I added a note to your ticket. Can we retitle it if you think it's the same? [11:05:10] Yeah… It depends how widespread the issue is. Do you think Python is broken again? [11:06:38] That's my best guess, but I'll look for any Python working. (re @Al: Yeah… It depends how widespread the issue is. Do you think Python is broken again?) [11:09:41] I'm glad it was all working 6 hours ago when I gave a talk in my department about Wikifunctions! One thing I was showing off was quantity conversion. [11:10:10] Mmm, yeah… Z22765 was working earlier but not any more. One for @Sannita, I think. (re @u99of9: That's my best guess, but I'll look for any Python working.) [11:11:44] That was indeed fortuitous! Shall I get some JavaScript implementations going? (re @u99of9: I'm glad it was all working 6 hours ago when I gave a talk in my department about Wikifunctions! One thing I was showing off wa...) [11:14:20] There are so many important Python functions! Z14307 for natural number reading fails. [11:18:12] Start a list into Project chat and we can start working through it. Natural number seems like the place to start. [11:24:22] I'll make a new ticket. Probably easier than refactoring yours. [11:26:08] Agreed. Just call it PYTHON DOWN! or something for now @Sannita (re @u99of9: I'll make a new ticket. Probably easier than refactoring yours.) [11:29:36] T406848 (re @Al: Agreed. Just call it PYTHON DOWN! or something for now @Sannita) [11:31:55] Z28745 (re @u99of9: There are so many important Python functions! Z14307 for natural number reading fails.) [11:32:43] I'm pessimistic about how quickly the system could switch across to prioritising unbroken implementations even if we had them in place everywhere. My take is that if either Python or JS are broken, then the whole of WF is effectively broken. (re @Al: Start a list in Project chat and we can start working through it. Natural number seems like the place to start.) [11:34:30] On the other hand, JS will probably turn out quicker, so it's a good thing for overall efficiency! (re @Al: Z28745) [11:37:10] I recall a ticket for something in this space, but how responsive the new approach might be is an open question. (re @u99of9: I'm pessimistic about how quickly the system could switch across to prioritising unbroken implementations even if we had them in...) [11:37:37] Noticed the team (re @Al: Agreed. Just call it PYTHON DOWN! or something for now @Sannita) [11:37:57] Also for you, noticed the team (re @u99of9: T406848) [11:38:00] I haven't seen any action from WikiLambda bot, even on the ones I nudged. (re @Al: I recall a ticket for something in this space, but how responsive the new approach might be is an open question.) [11:39:27] Yeah, I just connected JS and disconnected existing before re-connecting… but N-reading still fails. (re @u99of9: I haven't seen any action from WikiLambda bot, even on the ones I nudged.) [11:41:35] @dvd_ccc27919 spotted a hole in your implementation - see Z28746 (re @Al: Yeah, I just connected JS and disconnected existing before re-connecting… but N-reading still fails.) [11:55:34] I think that’s fixed now, thanks. (re @u99of9: @dvd_ccc27919 spotted a hole in your implementation - see Z28746) [11:56:01] Looks good, and N reading now works. (re @Al: I think that’s fixed now, thanks.) [11:59:40] I manually interfered with Z14613 but that’s reverted now (re @u99of9: Looks good, and N reading now works.) [12:02:10] My plan for tonight was to figure out where the significant figures in Z28743 went off. But I guess that can wait for another night. [12:03:18] From my presentation. Paired examples of WF beating Google today. : https://tools-static.wmflabs.org/bridgebot/3eb7705d/file_74310.jpg [12:03:30] https://tools-static.wmflabs.org/bridgebot/6588ab9e/file_74311.jpg [12:03:42] https://tools-static.wmflabs.org/bridgebot/c6048f20/file_74312.jpg [12:05:04] Integers are back for Arabic digits [12:06:41] We’re already in a good place with all that excellent attention to detail… 🙏 (re @u99of9: My plan for tonight was to figure out where the significant figures in Z28743 went off. But I guess that can wait for another ni...) [12:11:48] On this one Google does score well for explaining its working, but fails at the last hurdle which is just plugging it into a calculator! (re @u99of9: ) [12:17:55] Have you tried other AIs? (re @u99of9: On this one Google does score well for explaining its working, but fails at the last hurdle which is just plugging it into a cal...) [12:39:44] Not for these head-to-heads. (re @Al: Have you tried other AIs?) [13:59:35] Another option (for ChatGPT, at least) is to ask for a code function rather than the answer. It might then be able to answer the “what would that give me for…” question. (re @u99of9: Not for these head-to-heads.) [14:01:51] Looks like Python’s back up… [15:01:45] @u99of9 Al GrounderUK outage should be over, a fix has been deployed [15:01:57] LMK if it worked [15:49:40] Yes. Still working, thanks 🙏 (re @Sannita: LMK if it worked) [21:53:24] Looks like my earlier disconnections have all been reversed now. Thanks to those who got there before me! 🙏