[04:52:43] I have just started setting up Z32695, and was copying Z13464, but saw that it's second parameter isn't a list. This seems like I made a mistake last time (Feb 2024). But by now that function is in widespread use. Should it be deprecated/changed, and if so, how? [09:47:00] I checked the implementations that pass an argument to this function, (https://www.wikifunctions.org/w/index.php?fulltext=1&ns0=1&ns2=1&ns4=1&profile=advanced&search=%3A+%22Z13464K2+Z1K1+Z18%22&title=Special%3ASearch) and they all seem to be passing a Typed list. For these implementations, the argument comes from Z873, (https [09:47:00] //www.wikifunctions.org/w/index.php?fulltext=1&ns0=1&n [09:47:01] s2=1&ns4=1&profile=advanced&search=%3A+%22Z13464K2+Z1K1+Z7+Z7K1+Z873%22&title=Special%3ASearch) so these should also be Typed lists. [09:47:02] I therefore expect that changing the function’s type should not be disruptive, but we should check through the full list (https://www.wikifunctions.org/w/index.php?fulltext=1&ns0=1&ns2=1&ns4=1&profile=advanced&search=%3A+Z13464&title=Special%3ASearch) first. (re @u99of9: I have just started setting up Z32695, and was copying Z13464, but saw that it's second parameter [09:47:02] isn't a li [09:47:04] st. This seems like ...) [12:36:30] I've looked at a few. It's very deeply embedded! I guess anything that calls it with a non-list will break anyway, because part of the composition needs Z812 which I imagine won't work on non-lists. (re @Al: I checked the implementations that pass an argument to this function, and they all seem to be passing a Typed list. For these im...) [12:39:10] Yes… it won’t! 😎👍 (re @u99of9: I've looked at a few. It's very deeply embedded! I guess anything that calls it with a non-list will break anyway, because part...) [12:57:53] Shall I go ahead with the change? Then 🎃, so others should feel free to revert if it causes any problem. [12:59:07] Actually, I won't do it now, I'll wait until I can clean up after myself. [12:59:51] Yeah, it’s not urgent, is it? 😎 (re @u99of9: Actually, I won't do it now, I'll wait until I can clean up after myself.) [18:33:33] Does anyone know what's up https://www.wikifunctions.org/wiki/Z26359 ? [18:33:34] Its title is "Z26359", but its English label is Z11396. [18:33:35] And the value of its label in English is stored as JSON: [18:33:37] ``` [18:33:38] "Z11K2": { [18:33:40] "Z1K1": "Z6", [18:33:41] "Z6K1": "Z11396" [18:33:43] }``` [18:33:44] Usually a label value is just a string. [18:33:46] Maybe WikiLambda stores it like this when a string looks like a ZID? [18:33:47] Then when you look at the implementation page https://www.wikifunctions.org/view/en/Z26360 , its function label appears as `{ "Z1K1": "Z6", "Z6K1": "Z11396" }`, and not as "Z11396" or "Z26359". It kind of reduces the potential confusion, but it's probably not supposed to really work like that. [18:33:49] In any case, the whole function and its implementation look unnecessary, and I pinged their creator about it, but I was curious about why it looks like this internally. [18:40:06] No idea… but, yes, a string that has the form of an object identifier has to be wrapped as a string object. (re @amire80: Does anyone know what's up https://www.wikifunctions.org/wiki/Z26359 ? [18:40:07] Its title is "Z26359", but its English label is Z11396. [18:40:08] ...) [18:43:27] Abstract Wikipedia Newsletter #241 [18:43:28] * First few days of Abstract Wikipedia Beta: 1000+ edits building 120+ articles by 75+ volunteers [18:43:29] * Status of Composition Language v2 [18:43:31] * Recent Changes in the software [18:43:32] * Wikifunctions presentation at WikiCon Australia on 11 April 2026 [18:43:34] * Volunteer’s Corner upcoming on 13 April 2026 [18:43:35] * Fresh Functions weekly: 76 (!) new Functions [18:43:37] https://www.wikifunctions.org/wiki/Wikifunctions:Status_updates/2026-03-26 [18:46:26] And now edited down to a podcast (in Swedish) I think we spent almost 10 minutes talking about AW. [[c:File:WP359 - agent Q16.mp3]] (re @Jan_ainali: And I will do a livestream in Swedish in less than an hour :)) [18:47:38] The unedited stream is on https://vid.northbound.online/w/mCvtTm6hM9q28ZZwTH85QU (re @Jan_ainali: And now edited down to a podcast (in Swedish) I think we spent almost 10 minutes talking about AW. [[c:File:WP359 - agent Q16.mp...) [19:02:32] I can understand the need for disambiguation, but I'd probably go a bit further and write a rule that strongly suggests not using labels that are nothing but a ZID. [19:02:49] Is there any policy about labels? I vaguely remember something, but I can't find it now. [19:13:38] Naming something (re @amire80: Is there any policy about labels? I vaguely remember something, but I can't find it now.) [19:13:45] Guidelines? [19:14:19] Naming conventions (re @amire80: I can understand the need for disambiguation, but I'd probably go a bit further and write a rule that strongly suggests not usin...) [19:15:17] [[WF:NC]] [22:14:56] Hi, now when I click the link it returns to Abstract Wikipedia main page link. Is it the intended result? (re @acanthamoeba_castellanii: I am not sure whether this issue has been reported or not. [22:14:58] When I want to click the hyperlink "Collective role sentence", it sh...) [22:57:44] It may be the intended result when the page should not exist. But the link should be to Wikifunctions, where it should exist (or be resolved, at least). This is *T420670.* (re @acanthamoeba_castellanii: Hi, now when I click the link it returns to Abstract Wikipedia main page (instead of error page). Is this the intended result?) [23:44:01] Thanks for the link! (re @Al: It may be the intended result when the page should not exist. But the link should be to Wikifunctions, where it should exist (or...)