[00:06:13] It turns out that the JavaScript still works if the Z11s come from Wikidata. So now we have this. (https [00:06:13] //www.wikifunctions.org/view/en/Z26570?call=%7B%22Z1K1%22%3A%22Z7%22%2C%22Z7K1%22%3A%22Z26570%22%2C%22Z26570K1%22%3A%7B%22Z1K1%22%3A%22Z6091%22%2C%22Z6091K1%22%3A%22Q1344227%22%7D%2C%22Z26570K2%22%3A%7B%22Z1K1%22%3A%22Z6091%22%2C%22Z6091K1%22%3A%22Q283202%22%7D%2C%22Z26570K3%2 [00:06:13] 2%3A%7B%22Z1K1%22%3A%22Z6091%22%2C%22Z6091K1%22%3A%22Q67479793%22%7D%2C%22Z26570K4%22%3A%22Z1592%22%7D) (re @Jan_ainali: Ah! Well, an added fallback to mul would be first priority. It would also incentivize using it :)) [00:36:37] There is Z32244, but it's only for English and there isn't a corresponding global function (re @feedmepaperr: I'm looking for a function that says "blank is a blank of blank" but all I can find is "blank is a blank" and "blank is the blan...) [02:11:31] Is global the correct term here? Did we have a general term for this type of function that uses a configuration? (re @Earldridge Jazzed: There is Z32244, but it's only for English and there isn't a corresponding global function) [03:50:41] is clicking on function links with abstract wiki broken? [03:50:49] Yes [03:50:56] I believe there's a task for it [09:55:39] Today it's updated! (re @Jan_ainali: Do one need to do something special to get the abstract article to update? It almost ten hours after I finished the Swedish func...) [09:57:20] I clicked through articles using Z26570 and it was a fun way of discovering important concepts lacking lexemes in Swedish and created them. [10:01:26] I aim to provide a clickable link for such cases, but that will have to wait until we HTMLise the sentence fragments. (re @Jan_ainali: I clicked through articles using Z26570 and it was a fun way of discovering important concepts lacking lexemes in Swedish and cr...) [10:04:12] It was easy enough yet as all articles were one sentence long and only one function getting a lexeme. But it would surely help later to say which lexeme was missing. It was good though that the error message also clearly stated that there was a lexeme missing, so here I felt empowered to act rather than confused :) [10:13:59] Yes… 🤔 the link would have to be to the Wikidata item anyway: the source of the label used in the absence of a linked Lexeme. Linking to a source lexeme, where one is found… well, it is something we should be able to do but I’m not sure how it would look. (re @Jan_ainali: It was easy enough yet as all articles were one sentence long and only one function getting a lexeme [10:13:59] [10:14:01] . But it would surely help l...) [10:15:33] Linking to the Wikidata item lacking the lexeme is really helpful, because I can both see if there is a label or a Wikipedia article in my language to help me make a great lexeme. (re @Al: Yes… 🤔 the link would have to be to the Wikidata item anyway: the source of the label used in the absence of a linked Lexeme. Li...) [10:20:18] Of course, there could be a lexeme already, just not connected to the Wikidata item. If there is a label in the language on the item a link searching for that and a link to the item would both be handy. [10:36:03] Yes, but I think we’d need *T419561* for that, using the item label as the target. (re @Jan_ainali: Of course, there could be a lexeme already, just not connected to the Wikidata item. If there is a label in the language on the ...) [14:59:49] Regrettably, it is still happening. This must be especially baffling for new contributors! : https://tools-static.wmflabs.org/bridgebot/8cbaa742/file_78993.jpg [15:02:38] How do one use Wikifunctions.Debug on a composition? : https://tools-static.wmflabs.org/bridgebot/8b96347c/file_78994.jpg [15:04:42] Z854, in theory. (re @Jan_ainali: How do one use Wikifunctions.Debug on a composition?) [15:58:56] WF should be able to detect whether it is a composition implementation. Is there a ticket for this? (re @Al: Z854, in theory.) [16:07:29] For Jan’s observation? I don’t believe so. The type of implementation is returned as a key reference (Z14K2) and decoding that to a meaningful string is outstanding on some ticket that I raised for @amire80 raised a couple of years ago: T358571#9603107. (re @Feeglgeef: WF should be able to detect whether it is a composition implementation. Is there a ticket for this?) [21:35:47] https://abstract.wikipedia.org/wiki/Q27945856 is not really how _abstract_ content is usually supposed to be written, right? The function explicitly asks for English, so selecting another language doesn't change anything. Can it be written with an actually language-independent function? (I know that they are not likely to actually work, I'm asking theoretically.) [21:37:13] For example, is there a function like "State location using entity and class" that doesn't ask for a language parameter? [21:52:44] There isn’t, unless it’s language specific. The contributor made a mistake in changing from the default argument reference to a literal natural language. [21:52:44] “Temporärhaus is een (en) makerspace in Neu-Ulm.” (nl) (re @amire80: For example, is there a function like "State location using entity and class" that doesn't ask for a language parameter?) [22:37:34] How exactly did you edit it? Changed the thingie in the three-dots menu to "Argument reference" and then selected "language"? (re @Al: There isn’t, unless it’s language specific. The contributor made a mistake in changing from the default argument reference to a ...) [22:50:25] Also, kind of related: When I add something, it says : https://tools-static.wmflabs.org/bridgebot/13e54889/file_78999.jpg [22:50:39] "wikidata item reference", "language", "date" [22:51:42] Why specifically these three things? Is the item in the "wikidata item reference" the same item as the page? And is "language" the same language as what is selected at the top of the preview? And what is "date"—today? [22:52:24] In general, is there a written guide for this anywhere? [22:57:25] There https://abstract.wikipedia.org/wiki/Help:How_to_create_an_article , but it doesn't answer these questions (or maybe it does and I'm missing it). [23:01:53] Yes. (re @amire80: How exactly did you edit it? Changed the thingie in the three-dots menu to "Argument reference" and then selected "language"?) [23:16:56] Yes, these are the page-level defaults. I don’t recall an actual explanation anywhere. What follows is from the How-to: [23:16:56] « Now we see the arguments for this function. We also get automatically fitting arguments filled in. This leads to the sentence "Paris is a Paris.", because the arguments "entity" and "class" both get prefilled with the item we are writing about. » [23:16:58] « We need to change the mode on the "class" argument from the automatically filled value (an Argument reference) to a literal. [23:16:59] This gives us now a field to select a Wikidata item for the value of the "class" argument. » [23:17:01] For “automatically fitting arguments” read “default”… but it is relevant that the arguments have different types, since that is how they “fit”: any Wikidata item reference, Gregorian calendar date or Natural language parameter will initially take the corresponding default argument. (re @amire80: Why specifically these three things? Is the item in the "wikidata item [23:17:01] [23:17:02] reference" the same item as the page? And is "language" t...)