[00:17:00] No need to change the newsletter, because the survey was correct at the time of writing. But, I didn't want readers to copy the apple/fruit fragment composition into other articles, so I've switched it for the HTML call. I've also fixed Serbian (and all other languages using the "simple" Z36873 HenkvD made), and improved the fallbacks in Dagbani and Spanish. : [00:17:00] https://tools-static.wmflabs.org/bridgebot/1c02389d/file_82776.jpg [00:23:17] Please feel free to contribute to the *HOT* 10-day-old discussion here: [[:abstract:Abstract_Wikipedia_talk:Main_page#Links_to_example_articles_from_the_main_page]]. More generally, is there guidance for admins of small wikis about how much we should just boldly act on if discussion of a positive change is sparse? (re @vrandecic: would it be an idea to put a few [00:23:17] articles on the a [00:23:17] bstract wikipedia main page? (very gentle nudge)) [02:13:28] I think I've resolved that particular case (in the article too). I don't know if we should link the subject by default, because then there's always a lot of link removal for AW editors to do. But it's important that when we do link, the links go in the right part of the sentence! Thanks for the report. (re @lucaswerkmeister: also I created a test for something a bug I [02:13:28] noticed in [02:13:29] an article Jens Ohlig was editing: Z38214) [04:25:20] Q7343 renders unnecessary article "the" in Japanese as attached. (Japanese grammar don't have articles) It seems coming from Z37228. Should I delete that part (Item1 of HTML fragment) from Z37228? : https://tools-static.wmflabs.org/bridgebot/b371851e/file_82777.jpg [04:31:42] Yes, that seems safe to delete! (re @higa4: Q7343 renders unnecessary article "the" in Japanese as attached. (Japanese grammar don't have articles) It seems coming from Z37...) [04:32:10] Thanks! I see. [04:36:07] Thank you! (re @higa4: Thanks! I see.) [04:40:47] You should probably delete item 5 too (another "the"). (re @higa4: Q7343 renders unnecessary article "the" in Japanese as attached. (Japanese grammar don't have articles) It seems coming from Z37...) [04:42:31] Sure. Thanks! (re @u99of9: You should probably delete item 5 too (another "the").) [07:07:50] For a while I got my hopes up and thought that we wouldn't need to get the grammatical gender for the professions in the Swedish function for Z38757 as all I could think of were the same. But I thought I would better check, and of the 1515 lexemes we have connected to a profession, of course 12 were from the other. 😅 [07:10:58] because language (re @Jan_ainali: For a while I got my hopes up and thought that we wouldn't need to get the grammatical gender for the professions in the Swedish...) [07:12:04] I try to avoid editing Abstract Wikipedia due to being a staff member, and I also won't participate in editorial discussions, but I think that in a small community, *be bold* has a special place (re @u99of9: Please feel free to contribute to the *HOT* 10-day-old discussion here: [[:abstract:Abstract_Wikipedia_talk:Main_page#Links_to_e...) [07:14:39] At least you know which way to default? (re @Jan_ainali: For a while I got my hopes up and thought that we wouldn't need to get the grammatical gender for the professions in the Swedish...) [07:14:41] It was this discussion that led me there :) It's only the lead sentence missing for getting [[abstract:Q16211514]] to render fully in Swedish. [07:16:07] Worth it. Unlocking it for one person will unlock it for all. (re @Jan_ainali: It was this discussion that led me there :) It's only the lead sentence missing for getting [[abstract:Q16211514]] to render ful...) [07:19:34] There are so many layers here though 😅 Have I dug correctly when I think that I need to create a Swedish version of Z32825 and add that one to Z32826? (re @u99of9: Worth it. Unlocking it for one person will unlock it for all.) [07:20:52] Correct. Be aware that English is blocked by T427454 and T433966, so you won't be able to perfect it fully just yet. (re @Jan_ainali: There are so many layers here though 😅 Have I dug correctly when I think that I need to create a Swedish version of Z32825 and a...) [07:21:36] Z38731 and Z32829 respectively (re @u99of9: Correct. Be aware that English is blocked by T427454 and T433966, so you won't be able to perfect it fully just yet.) [07:23:16] I may be wrong on the first blocker, but it smells the same. [07:48:18] Brand new editor just dropped Z38923 with sufficient detail, and only one error which I could fix in 3 min on my mobile on a train. [07:55:37] (in a language I have no hope of reading) [10:54:18] Hello I'm new and I wanna ask how things are done here I'd like to add in [10:55:19] welcome Luvoth [10:56:09] What kinds of thing do you want to work on? (re @Luvoth: Hello I'm new and I wanna ask how things are done here I'd like to add in) [10:56:30] Which languages do you speak? [10:57:12] Editing and translation on Wikipedia [10:57:13] I have a little experience (re @u99of9: What kinds of thing do you want to work on?) [10:57:24] Igbo language (re @u99of9: Which languages do you speak?) [10:57:30] Wonderful! [10:58:42] Please explain how it is done here and tell me what steps I should take (re @u99of9: Wonderful!) [10:59:00] I'll just look up the Igbo list. [10:59:19] Okay [10:59:26] Here's a page about Igbo: https://www.wikifunctions.org/wiki/Wikifunctions:Catalogue/Natural_language_operations/Igbo [11:00:15] Do you have a bit of time now? I can work you through writing a very useful function. [11:00:16] Yes [11:00:31] Yes (re @u99of9: Do you have a bit of time now? I can work you through writing a very useful function.) [11:01:35] Okay, let's try to make a function that outputs "Nigeria is a city." when supplied with the Wikidata item for Nigeria, and another Wikidata item for city. How would you write that sentence in Igbo? [11:02:29] oh... sorry... country, duh! [11:02:54] "Ọbọdọ Nigeria" (re @u99of9: Okay, let's try to make a function that outputs "Nigeria is a country." when supplied with the Wikidata item for Nigeria, and an...) [11:04:00] Here's an English function running with those inputs. We'll make something similar in Igbo: link (https://www.wikifunctions.org/view/en/Z26088?call=%7B%22Z1K1%22%3A%22Z7%22%2C%22Z7K1%22%3A%22Z26088%22%2C%22Z26088K1%22%3A%7B%22Z1K1%22%3A%22Z6091%22%2C%22Z6091K1%22%3A%22Q1033%22%7D%2C%22Z26088K2%22%3A%7B%22Z1K1%22%3A%22Z6091%22%2C%22Z6091K1%22%3A%22Q6256%22%7D%7D) [11:05:00] Okay [11:06:11] See how on the left it has a list of inputs with their types, and the output is a String: : https://tools-static.wmflabs.org/bridgebot/23184d24/file_82784.jpg [11:06:58] Yes [11:07:37] You can press create a function and try to make another page with the same type of inputs and the same type of output. : https://tools-static.wmflabs.org/bridgebot/d9d24dbb/file_82785.jpg [11:09:38] I will try now [11:09:40] I'm so new to this I only know editing soo it's gonna take time I know I will learn it (re @u99of9: You can press create a function and try to make another page with the same type of inputs and the same type of output.) [11:09:56] Should I use the app or browser (re @u99of9: You can press create a function and try to make another page with the same type of inputs and the same type of output.) [11:10:05] browser will be easier [11:10:26] Any step you're not sure of or you don't want to do I can do it then you can see the outcome. [11:11:22] Yes please do it (re @u99of9: Any step you're not sure of or you don't want to do I can do it then you can see the outcome.) [11:12:20] okay, I'm filling out the fields like this: : https://tools-static.wmflabs.org/bridgebot/1d9625fa/file_82786.jpg [11:13:00] Then I published, and the empty function is now at Z38933 [11:14:29] Everything is empty at first. We need to make 2 types of thing, lots of "tests", and at least one "implementation". Tests are easier, especially if you speak the language, so let's do that first: : https://tools-static.wmflabs.org/bridgebot/1a198f41/file_82787.jpg [11:16:29] Okay I'm active (re @u99of9: Everything is empty at first. We need to make 2 types of thing, lots of "tests", and at least one "implementation". Tests are ea...) [11:17:33] I made one test at Z38934. Can you think of other sentences this function should make if we change the inputs? [11:21:24] Yes [11:21:25] Ọbọdọ Ghana [11:21:26] Ọbọdọ Spain [11:21:28] Ọbọdọ USA (re @u99of9: I made one test at Z38934. Can you think of other sentences this function should make if we change the inputs?) [11:22:14] Yes. How about you change country to a city instead? [11:23:23] Ok yes [11:23:23] Ọbọdọ Owerri [11:23:25] Ọbọdọ Los Angeles (re @u99of9: Yes. How about you change country to a city instead?) [11:24:25] Does Ọbọdọ mean both "country" and "city"? [11:25:29] Ha, that's fun. Let's try something even more different. How would you say "Chappal Waddi is a mountain."? [11:25:42] Yes in Igbo language ọbọdọ means City/country or village (re @u99of9: Does Ọbọdọ mean both "country" and "city"?) [11:26:39] Yes [11:26:40] "Chappal Waddi bụ ụgwụ elu" (re @u99of9: Ha, that's fun. Let's try something even more different. How would you say "Chappal Waddi is a mountain."?) [11:27:35] Mountain is "Ụgwụ elu" or "Ụgwụ " in Igbo language [11:27:47] Aha, that's a nice different structure. I was starting to think this would be too easy! [11:29:01] And I assume "Nigeria bụ ọbọdọ." is wrong? Can you explain in which circumstances you put the entity first/last? [11:31:57] By the way, each time you give me a different kind of sentence, I'm making a new test. The implementations will try to pass all tests correctly: : https://tools-static.wmflabs.org/bridgebot/c83cc5b4/file_82788.jpg [11:32:10] Any town or village or country in Igbo is called "Ọbọdọ" e.g ọbọdọ USA, Ọbọdọ Spain, Ọbọdọ Switzerland. Unless it's a family like a big family then call them "Ndị" which means (people or the people) e.g "Ndị Chinese, Ndị Japanese (Chinese people, Japanese People). Ọbọdọ and Ndị is a different thing (re @u99of9: And I assume "Nigeria bụ ọb [11:32:10] ọdọ." is wrong? Can you explain in which circumstances you put the entity first/last?) [11:32:58] Love this you're getting it right 💯👍 I love how you're understanding me (re @u99of9: By the way, each time you give me a different kind of sentence, I'm making a new test. The implementations will try to pass all ...) [11:35:13] Okay, I've added ọbọdọ as the Igbo label in Wikidata for country: https://www.wikidata.org/w/index.php?title=Q6256&diff=2528078824&oldid=2527484391 Do you know Wikidata already? If not, don't worry about it now. [11:35:59] Why does mountain go after the name, but people/place goes before the name? [11:36:33] Okay yes I know wikidata but not too much (re @u99of9: Okay, I've added ọbọdọ as the Igbo label in Wikidata for country: https://www.wikidata.org/w/index.php?title=Q6256&diff=25280788...) [11:36:36] Actually... not "why" ... but "which kinds of things go before, and which go after?" [11:38:21] It is like that soo everyone could understand the Igbo language well and know what anyone is talking about [11:38:22] E.g Mountain Everest. [11:38:23] Ụgwụ Everest. It makes sense (re @u99of9: Why does mountain go after the name, but people/place goes before the name?) [11:41:00] Igbo is a very big and old language [11:41:01] You could call animals by their name without adding "anụmanụ" (animal) e.g mgbada(antelope) without adding "animal" like antelope animal. You just call it the way it is "mgbada" anyone who knows Igbo will know it's antelope you're referring to to (re @u99of9: Actually... not "why" ... but "which kinds of things go before, and which go after?") [11:41:02] Okay, so that's a label for Mount Everest? but if you made a whole sentence to say "Mount Everest is a mountain." would it be "Everest bụ ụgwụ elu." [11:41:55] We want to do more than just give them their full label, we want to make a sentence that tells us that "thing X is an instance of thing Y". [11:43:16] No you should say [11:43:17] Ụgwụ Everest (re @u99of9: Okay, so that's a label for Mount Everest? but if you made a whole sentence to say "Mount Everest is a mountain." would it be "E...) [11:44:22] So would "Ụgwụ Chappal Waddi." also mean "Chappal Waddi is a mountain."? [11:44:29] Yes I understand and I'm learning.. I haven't done this type of thing you're editing I only do Wikipedia exercises (re @u99of9: We want to do more than just give them their full label, we want to make a sentence that tells us that "thing X is an instance o...) [11:44:43] Yes (re @u99of9: So would "Ụgwụ Chappal Waddi." also mean "Chappal Waddi is a mountain."?) [11:44:50] But ... [11:49:11] There is "is a " [11:49:11] In some cases e.g if you're teaching people who don't know what Chappal Waddi is and they ask you what is "Chappal Waddi" you simply tell them Chappal Waddi bụ ụgwụ ". But it's teaching to people that know it or like writing a book e.g everyone in the world knows mount Everest.. you just say "Ụgwụ Everest " [11:49:13] I hope you understand [11:49:14] It's better to include the two [11:49:16] 1. Ụgwụ Chappal Waddi (to people that know it) [11:49:17] 2. Chappal Waddi bụ ụgwụ (this is to people that don't know it) . (re @u99of9: So would "Ụgwụ Chappal Waddi." also mean "Chappal Waddi is a mountain."?) [11:50:02] Either ways it's referring to the same thing (re @Luvoth: There is "is a " [11:50:02] In some cases e.g if you're teaching people who don't know what Chappal Waddi is and they ask you what is "Cha...) [11:50:40] Okay. In Wikipedia we are mostly trying to teach people things. Even if they know something already, I think they are happy to read in an encyclopedia "X bụ Y". Does that seem right? [11:50:50] Should we assume that people who are looking up things in Wikipedia don't know what the thing is and need to be taught it? [11:51:15] Chappal Waddi bụ ụgwụ 👍💯 (re @u99of9: Okay. In Wikipedia we are mostly trying to teach people things. Even if they know something already, I think they are happy to r...) [11:51:31] Okay, let's write the teaching function first. Then we can write the referring function another time. (re @Luvoth: Either ways it's referring to the same thing) [11:51:55] I understand [11:51:56] Chappal Waddi bụ ụgwụ YES (re @Jan_ainali: Should we assume that people who are looking up things in Wikipedia don't know what the thing is and need to be taught it?) [11:52:22] I'm active I should login my Wiki into chrome now (re @u99of9: Okay, let's write the teaching function first. Then we can write the referring function another time.) [11:52:38] I'm loving this and would love to learn more and more [11:54:52] We are getting close to achieving something. [11:56:35] Is there a special Igbo name for Chappal Waddi, or are we using the right name in English too? [12:00:26] If we're teaching a child that Nigeria is a country, we might write "Naijiria bụ ọbọdọ."? Would that make sense? [12:00:41] Chappal Waddi is the right name (it only tells the name then... [12:00:43] Chappal Waddi bụ ụgwụ 👍 (it tells everything what it is) [12:00:44] Just like mount Everest bụ ụgwụ. (re @u99of9: Is there a special Igbo name for Chappal Waddi, or are we using the right name in English too?) [12:01:05] Yessss 💯💯💯 you're getting it (re @u99of9: If we're teaching a child that Nigeria is a country, we might write "Naijiria bụ ọbọdọ."? Would that make sense?) [12:02:01] Okay, we are getting very close to a working function now (I've made an implementation as well as the tests.) [12:02:29] Okay [12:06:11] An implementation is like a recipe. So far mine looks like this: : https://tools-static.wmflabs.org/bridgebot/7bf4dd5a/file_82789.jpg [12:07:06] So I get the Igbo label for the entity, then add bu, then add the Igbo label for the class. And join them all together into a sentence with a capital letter at the start, and a full stop at the end. Does that seem like it might work for lots of other things? [12:10:24] The Igbo label for "city" on Wikidata is "ama ukwu". That seems wrong. Should I change it to obodo? : https://tools-static.wmflabs.org/bridgebot/78d304e2/file_82790.jpg [12:13:40] I tried running the function to try to say "The Atlantic Ocean is an ocean." and at the moment it returns "Òrìmìlì Atlantic bụ oke òrìmìlì. (https [12:13:40] //www.wikifunctions.org/view/en/Z38933?call=%7B%22Z1K1%22%3A%22Z7%22%2C%22Z7K1%22%3A%22Z38933%22%2C%22Z38933K1%22%3A%7B%22Z1K1%22%3A%22Z6091%22%2C%22Z6091K1%22%3A%22Q97%22%7D%2C%22Z38933K2%22%3A%7B%22Z1K1%22%3A%22Z6091%22%2C% [12:13:40] 22Z6091K1%22%3A%22Q9430%22%7D%7D)" Does that look right? [12:18:44] *is" in Igbo = "bụ" (re @u99of9: So I get the Igbo label for the entity, then add bu, then add the Igbo label for the class. And join them all together into a se...) [12:19:11] Yes [12:19:13] I'm really loving this I will learn (re @u99of9: The Igbo label for "city" on Wikidata is "ama ukwu". That seems wrong. Should I change it to obodo?) [12:21:00] No the correct is [12:21:01] "Oke osimiri Atlantic " (re @u99of9: I tried running the function to try to say "The Atlantic Ocean is an ocean." and at the moment it returns "Òrìmìlì Atlantic bụ o...) [12:21:19] Or "Oke Osimiri Atlantic" (re @Luvoth: No the correct is [12:21:20] "Oke osimiri Atlantic ") [12:21:45] is that the label or the teaching sentence? [12:22:19] The label (re @Luvoth: No the correct is [12:22:20] "Oke osimiri Atlantic ") [12:22:43] The teaching.. I guess I should continue with the teaching (re @u99of9: I tried running the function to try to say "The Atlantic Ocean is an ocean." and at the moment it returns "Òrìmìlì Atlantic bụ o...) [12:23:05] For the teaching sentence would it be: "Òrìmìlì Atlantic bụ oke òrìmìlì. (https://www.wikifunctions.org/view/en/Z38933?call=%7B%22Z1K1%22%3A%22Z7%22%2C%22Z7K1%22%3A%22Z38933%22%2C%22Z38933K1%22%3A%7B%22Z1K1%22%3A%22Z6091%22%2C%22Z6091K1%22%3A%22Q97%22%7D%2C%22Z38933K2%22%3A%7B%22Z1K1%22%3A%22Z6091%22%2C%22Z6091K1%22%3A%22Q9430%22%7D%7D)"? [12:23:23] Correct Edit; [12:23:23] Osimiri Atlantic bụ oke osimiri (re @u99of9: I tried running the function to try to say "The Atlantic Ocean is an ocean." and at the moment it returns "Òrìmìlì Atlantic bụ o...) [12:23:43] Osimiri not orimili [12:24:27] This correct (re @Luvoth: Correct Edit; [12:24:28] Osimiri Atlantic bụ oke osimiri) [12:25:48] It got orimili from the Wikidata label for ocean. Should I change that to osimiri? : https://tools-static.wmflabs.org/bridgebot/323f0193/file_82793.jpg [12:26:45] Yes to "oke osimiri" (re @u99of9: It got orimili from the Wikidata label for ocean. Should I change that to osimiri?) [12:28:02] I really love these things you're doing.. I'm understanding you're labelling words meaning in Wiki by their language and what it tells (re @u99of9: It got orimili from the Wikidata label for ocean. Should I change that to osimiri?) [12:29:08] I was confused why the label was wrong, and after seeing the Wikipedia article, I am still :) [12:29:08] https://ig.wikipedia.org/wiki/Oke_%C3%92r%C3%ACm%C3%ACl%C3%AC [12:30:28] Osimiri is the correct spelling : https://tools-static.wmflabs.org/bridgebot/10d55617/file_82794.jpg [12:31:03] Would you put the tone markers on it: òsìmìrì ? [12:32:52] I know what happened their.. the person who edited I mean put up the mean probably has a different dialect but it's still Igbo [12:32:53] Igbo language is a very big family.. it has dialect by dialect then we have the central accepted one which is called Igbo Nzugbe (goggle it) [12:32:55] The correct spelling of ocean in Igbo Nzugbe (central Igbo I mean all accepted by all dialects is "Oke Osimiri" [12:33:21] Yes (re @u99of9: Would you put the tone markers on it: òsìmìrì ?) [12:33:35] How can I ? (re @u99of9: Would you put the tone markers on it: òsìmìrì ?) [12:33:55] Now if you go to https://abstract.wikipedia.org/wiki/Q976055 you will find a teaching article about Chappal Waddi. You can change the language to English or Igbo (or other languages). Here is what it looks like in Igbo: : https://tools-static.wmflabs.org/bridgebot/9b8a6771/file_82795.jpg [12:35:10] Translation of igbo to English; "Chappal Waddi is a mountain" . : https://tools-static.wmflabs.org/bridgebot/b4b59df0/file_82796.jpg [12:36:19] Can you get that by changing the language under "Generated text" to English? (re @Luvoth: Translation of igbo to English; "Chappal Waddi is a mountain" .) [12:38:24] Correct 💯 : https://tools-static.wmflabs.org/bridgebot/0cf41342/file_82797.jpg [12:38:25] https://tools-static.wmflabs.org/bridgebot/d7f931a5/file_82798.jpg [12:39:35] That is what we are trying to do. Make an article that can change to your language. [12:39:39] If an Igbo person or anyone who knows Igbo language read it they know it is a mountain I love this I just have to learn how to do it like you do (re @Luvoth: ) [12:40:38] This is a very good thing... You will teach me more.. gradually gradually I will master it just have to devote my time which I'm ready for (re @u99of9: That is what we are trying to do. Make an article that can change to your language.) [12:41:00] What are the first steps to do this I have logged in my Wiki ACC [12:41:16] Example word " food" [12:42:18] Try going to https://www.wikifunctions.org/view/en/Z38933 and adding some more teaching sentences as tests. [12:43:46] Here? : https://tools-static.wmflabs.org/bridgebot/5717a651/file_82799.jpg [12:43:47] Was https://www.ethnologue.com/insights/ethnologue200/ (or Numbers from it in Wikidata) ever considered to prioritize some languages? Or out of scope? [12:45:13] There you can try running the function to see if it works for other concepts. (re @Luvoth: Here?) [12:46:08] If you find it gets one wrong, you can make a permanent test for it here: : https://tools-static.wmflabs.org/bridgebot/2525f2f8/file_82800.jpg [12:48:03] I saw it that's what I'm looking at (re @u99of9: If you find it gets one wrong, you can make a permanent test for it here:) [12:51:45] The problem there is the dialect accepted.. some dialect will still accept the meaning of that ama ukwu in that Los Angeles... In Central Igbo which is used publicly for everyone's understanding is "Los Angeles bu ọbọdọ" it's telling that Los Angeles is a city " or village or town. But I think we're going to add it to Ama ukwu" (in some dialect it means an open space [12:51:46] like a [12:51:46] n open space where people celebrate cultures like Igbo new yam festival or masquerade, or dancing or if a king or governor is visiting the people that's what that space "ama" + "ukwu* = big space in the community is called. [12:51:57] Yes I will try (re @u99of9: If you find it gets one wrong, you can make a permanent test for it here:) [12:52:07] Okay [12:53:36] That's good to know. If lots of people use this, later we can support all dialects each with functions of their own. (re @Luvoth: The problem there is the dialect accepted.. some dialect will still accept the meaning of that ama ukwu in that Los Angeles... I...) [12:53:57] See : https://tools-static.wmflabs.org/bridgebot/407d4533/file_82801.jpg [12:54:43] Yes I'm trying to add the accepted one by all dialects but it's fine we could use to those but some minority dialects will get misunderstandings (re @u99of9: That's good to know. If lots of people use this, later we can support all dialects each with functions of their own.) [12:55:25] This is ai but I just want to show [12:55:26] It's my language so I know what it should be (re @Luvoth: See) [12:56:13] Give me another example please I will do it myself just want a starting point (re @u99of9: There you can try running the function to see if it works to make teaching sentences for other concepts.) [12:56:44] Try "The Congo River is a river." [12:57:17] Yeah 👍 (re @u99of9: Try "The Congo River is a river.") [12:58:36] Yes, this is a good approach for now. (re @Luvoth: Yes I'm trying to add the accepted one by all dialects but it's fine we could use to those but some minority dialects will get m...) [13:02:20] I wrote an article about my country. This is what it looks like in Igbo now. See the highlighted bits are now from your function. Many of the Wikidata items do not have Igbo labels. : https://tools-static.wmflabs.org/bridgebot/05e92338/file_82802.jpg [13:03:38] Yes (re @u99of9: I wrote an article about my country. This is what it looks like in Igbo now. See the highlighted bits are now from your function...) [13:05:28] How are you going with this? Do you want to show a screenshot of where you are getting stuck? (re @Luvoth: Yeah 👍) [13:06:38] Here Where can I put the "The Congo River is a river.".and the translation It is up or down : https://tools-static.wmflabs.org/bridgebot/75e02205/file_82803.jpg [13:07:55] in "entity" search for "Congo River" and choose the item that seems right. Then in "class" search for "river" and choose the item that seems right. [13:08:21] When those are selected, press "Run function" and see what it generates in Igbo. [13:09:43] Should I search the Igbo translation for the "Class" ? (re @u99of9: in "entity" search for "Congo River" and choose the item that seems right. Then in "class" search for "river" and choose the ite...) [13:10:16] What I did : https://tools-static.wmflabs.org/bridgebot/7d74f7f4/file_82804.jpg [13:10:25] no, you don't need to. You can search in English for the items (or in Igbo) (re @Luvoth: Should I search the Igbo translation for the "Class" ?) [13:10:50] Yes, perfect. Choose that then press Run function. (re @Luvoth: What I did) [13:11:22] Yeah : https://tools-static.wmflabs.org/bridgebot/1d992117/file_82805.jpg [13:11:59] 🙂😊 happy man thanks so what's next (re @Luvoth: Yeah) [13:12:05] That's it. You've tested your function. Since it got it right, we don't need to make that a permanent test. [13:12:44] What will we I do again? (re @u99of9: That's it. You've tested your function. Since it got it right, we don't need to make that a permanent test.) [13:13:25] Actually, just so you can practice, let's try to make it a permanent test. [13:13:45] Further down the page, click here. (re @u99of9: If you find it gets one wrong, you can make a permanent test for it here:) [13:13:46] Okay yes (re @u99of9: Actually, just so you can practice, let's try to make it a permanent test.) [13:14:52] Where? : https://tools-static.wmflabs.org/bridgebot/e99b93e8/file_82806.jpg [13:15:09] Once you've clicked on the + button, it will start making a new page, where you can fill in the entity and class again, and say what you think the answer should be. [13:15:35] The "+" button straight to the right of "Tests" (re @Luvoth: Where?) [13:17:16] Here : https://tools-static.wmflabs.org/bridgebot/c974a497/file_82807.jpg [13:18:04] Yes. In the label you can make a name for your test, but most of the actual test is further down the screen. [13:19:39] So which is best to do (re @u99of9: Yes. In the label you can make a name for your test, but most of the actual test is further down the screen.) [13:20:07] the label could be "Congo River is a river" or something [13:21:10] Or you can make the label in Igbo if you like (see the "1 language" button, if you click there you can add Igbo for labels) [13:21:46] Once you have a label, scroll down and fill in the entity and class like you did last time. (re @Luvoth: So which is best to do) [13:26:20] I want to be adding Igbo labels (re @u99of9: Or you can make the label in Igbo if you like (see the "1 language" button, if you click there you can add Igbo for labels)) [13:28:27] This is confusing again Where should be where I'm talking screenshots as I'm learning : https://tools-static.wmflabs.org/bridgebot/5152a949/file_82808.jpg [13:28:28] https://tools-static.wmflabs.org/bridgebot/5bd9839a/file_82809.jpg [13:28:29] https://tools-static.wmflabs.org/bridgebot/a9e4bcc7/file_82810.jpg [13:28:31] https://tools-static.wmflabs.org/bridgebot/0251a776/file_82811.jpg [13:35:25] That's fine for the label, but now scroll down a lot to see the next page. [13:38:05] this bit is the important bit : https://tools-static.wmflabs.org/bridgebot/3f75c3c8/file_82812.jpg [13:39:53] where I wrote "expected Igbo" you should write what the sentence *should* be in Igbo [13:42:03] @daphnesmit1986 IMO this is taking up too much of his mobile screen (re @Luvoth: This is confusing again [13:42:04] Where should be where I'm talking screenshots as I'm learning) [13:48:17] Are you getting stuck? I will need to go to bed soon. 🎃 (re @Luvoth: This is confusing again [13:48:19] Where should be where I'm talking screenshots as I'm learning) [13:48:53] This is what I'm seeing I have been there since : https://tools-static.wmflabs.org/bridgebot/76d46085/file_82814.jpg [13:50:24] Okay. Don't do it in "Try this Function", go back up a bit to the section called "Contents", and add it in there. [13:51:05] It looks like this. (re @u99of9: this bit is the important bit) [13:52:16] By the way, the output you got: "Q7296 bu ugwu." is because we don't have an Igbo label for that mountain. So it's good to put this test in as a permanent test, because it will fail until someone adds the label to Wikidata. [13:52:22] See : https://tools-static.wmflabs.org/bridgebot/271e4473/file_82815.jpg [13:53:03] That's very close. But in the "second string" remember that we are trying to make the teaching sentence, not just the label. (re @Luvoth: See) [13:53:23] Okay yes yes (re @u99of9: That's very close. But in the "second string" remember that we are trying to make the teaching sentence, not just the label.) [13:56:38] Kilimanjaro bụ nnukwu ụgwụ Translates to English Kilimanjaro is a very big mountain I think it's better right? : https://tools-static.wmflabs.org/bridgebot/e96fd097/file_82816.jpg [13:58:15] just put mountain for now, because that's what we chose for "class". If there was a Wikidata item for "big mountain", we could use that as the class then expect the longer sentence. [13:58:31] Okay [13:58:49] So I think just "Kilimanjaro bụ nnukwu ụgwụ." (make sure there is a full stop at the end) [13:59:05] Done : https://tools-static.wmflabs.org/bridgebot/52df61a3/file_82817.jpg [13:59:21] Now press Publish!! [13:59:32] Did put full stop now (re @u99of9: So I think just "Kilimanjaro bụ ụgwụ." (make sure there is a full stop at the end)) [13:59:41] Yes, put a full stop if you can. [14:00:44] Yeah ? : https://tools-static.wmflabs.org/bridgebot/f5776e70/file_82818.jpg [14:01:51] What's next brother? [14:02:02] Is it all done for now [14:02:52] Yes. We have 5 tests, and a good implementation. I'm going to go to bed now. You have done well so far. [14:03:44] Okay goodnight nice dreams.. still evening my side .. I'm active anytime except midnights [14:03:44] Thank you (re @u99of9: Yes. We have 5 tests, and a good implementation. I'm going to go to bed now. You have done well so far.) [23:35:37] In T433727 a question has come up. Are we happy to hide ZID labels from being available to the implementations? Apparently it would speed things up a lot. My sense is that we have moved away from using them in NLG, in preference for lexemes or labels or QIDs from Wikidata.