[04:17:19] I think we need a process where the AW community decides which articles are ready to be "released", before they can be taken up by other wikis. Otherwise we risk losing credibility by making available drafts or serious errors. I'm not saying they need to be perfect before release, but I think it should be a community decision at our end as well as the other end (the [04:17:19] language-wiki [04:17:20] embedding them). Since a first batch has been proposed by the team ([[:abstract:Special:PreviewAbstract]]), I think we should even vote on whether we support each of the 5 the team chose as ready. What do others think? Discussion here: [[:abstract:Abstract_Wikipedia:Project_chat#Suggestions_wanted_for_early_pilot_articles_to_make_available_cross-wiki]] [06:02:13] We've been using Z32428 to create hyperlinks to other articles. The problem with this is that if we embed it into other Wikipedias, it will lead back to AW. I'm not sure if anyone else has thought of this issue but this is something that needs to be worked on before the embedding on other languages happens. [06:02:14] At the same time, the link should lead to Abstract Wikipedia articles if you are within AW itself. [06:11:11] Would this be needed if the client side would refuse to display an article completely if it contained any errors? (re @u99of9: I think we need a process where the AW community decides which articles are ready to be "released", before they can be taken up ...) [06:23:47] I think some client sides might not really understand what they're getting. E.g. the French grammar tables in the Project Chat thread might be accepted by some communities, expecting that the French was correct. Or they may just be too gung ho and careless. (re @Jan_ainali: Would this be needed if the client side would refuse to display an article completely if it [06:23:48] contained any errors?) [06:31:08] I can't remember a phab about that. (re @M: We've been using Z32428 to create hyperlinks to other articles. The problem with this is that if we embed it into other Wikipedi...) [06:37:15] Yeah I don't think there is one yet. Its not as simple as fetching the label in the given language, as the label of a wikidata item isn't always the page name in that wikipedia. And Z6821 doesn't return connected Wikipedia articles. I'll file a phab. [06:52:27] Actually, I'm going to pause on filing a phab for now regarding that. Just realized you can fetch wikidata sitelinks (https [06:52:27] //www.wikifunctions.org/view/en/Z30120?call=%7B%22Z1K1%22%3A%22Z7%22%2C%22Z7K1%22%3A%22Z30120%22%2C%22Z30120K1%22%3A%7B%22Z1K1%22%3A%22Z6091%22%2C%22Z6091K1%22%3A%22Q937%22%7D%2C%22Z30120K2%22%3A%5B%22Z6030%22%2C%22Z6037%22%5D%2C%22Z30120K3%22%3A%5B%22Z60%22 [06:52:28] %5D%2C%22Z30120K4%22%3A%5B%22Z6092%22%5D%7D) given an item. There could be some kind of check in the wikilink function to see if a page exists given the language and QID, link it if it does, and if it doesn't, leave it blank. [06:52:29] But I do see that on the test (and other runs) all URLs resolve to Z24. I'll file a phab about that. [07:07:59] T434353 [07:25:31] The option underneath that is Sitelinks/URLs. Pick that if you want URLs. Here's an example (https [07:25:31] //www.wikifunctions.org/view/en/Z30120?call=%7B%22Z1K1%22%3A%22Z7%22%2C%22Z7K1%22%3A%22Z30120%22%2C%22Z30120K1%22%3A%7B%22Z1K1%22%3A%22Z6091%22%2C%22Z6091K1%22%3A%22Q183%22%7D%2C%22Z30120K2%22%3A%5B%22Z6030%22%2C%22Z6038%22%5D%2C%22Z30120K3%22%3A%5B%22Z60%22%5D%2C%22Z30120K4%22%3A%5 [07:25:31] B%22Z6092%22%5D%7D). (re @M: Actually, I'm going to pause on filing a phab for now regarding that. Just realized you can fetch wikidata sitelinks given an it...) [08:23:17] I agree. I thought that was implied by “…with community control…” in: [08:23:17] “Long-term, after the pilot if it is successful, this will expand to most/all abstract articles, with community control without going through the development team.” [08:23:19] [[:abstract:Help:Abstract articles#Wikidata topic coverage]] (re @u99of9: I think we need a process where the AW community decides which articles are ready to be "released", before they can be taken up ...) [08:46:25] Huh. I read that paragraph as the community of the reusers being in control and not being restricted by the developers, and not that continued restrictions from this community towards others were encouraged. (re @Al: I agree. I thought that was implied by “…with community control…” in: [08:46:26] “Long-term, after the pilot if it is successful, this wil...) [08:54:22] It was late night yesterday I did not see this message...i slept off [08:54:23] How to write a short sentence teaching about the mount Everest in Igbo is ; [08:54:25] "Oke Ụgwụ Everest bụ ụgwụ kachasị ụgwụ niile na mkpaghara Afrịka ma na ụwa anyị nọ n'ime ya" (re @u99of9: How would you write a sentence teaching about the height of Mount Everest?) [08:55:25] Yes, clarification is required. I’m taking “this” to refer to the expanded limited set. If there were no control from the AW community, there would be no such set. (re @Jan_ainali: Huh. I read that paragraph as the community of the reusers being in control and not being restricted by the developers, and not ...) [08:55:44] Please add the English translation of the sentence too. 🙏 (re @Luvoth: It was late night yesterday I did not see this message...i slept off [08:55:46] How to write a short sentence teaching about the mount Ev...) [08:59:43] Yes I have done that. (re @Jan_ainali: Please add the English translation of the sentence too. 🙏) [09:01:46] Thanks! And how about the much simpler sentence "The height of Mount Everest is 8,848.86 m."? [09:06:08] Ogologo ụgwụ everest bụ 8,848.86 mita. [09:06:10] Should I write 8,848.86 in the Igbo language.. If I do it'd be longer than that. (re @Jan_ainali: Thanks! And how about the much simpler sentence "The height of Mount Everest is 8,848.86 m."?) [09:07:09] Yes, I think so. Wouldn't it be odd to _not_ have it in the Igbo language? (re @Luvoth: Ogologo ụgwụ everest bụ 8,848.86 mita. [09:07:10] Should I write 8,848.86 in the Igbo language.. If I do it'd be longer than that.) [09:11:32] Yes right [09:11:32] Edit ; [09:11:34] Ogologo Ụgwụ Everest bụ puku asatọ na nari asatọ na iri anọ na asatọ na ntụpọ asatọ isii mita. (re @Jan_ainali: Yes, I think so. Wouldn't it be odd to not have it in the Igbo language?) [09:11:51] Ah, that "highest" is a different question I was going to ask later. For now I just want something like "The height of Mount Everest is 8,848.86 m." (so we can use this structure for all mountains). (re @Luvoth: It was late night yesterday I did not see this message...i slept off [09:11:52] How to write a short sentence teaching about the mount Ev...) [09:13:06] Google tells me it might be "Elu nke Ugwu Everest dị mita 8,848.86." Does that look good? (re @u99of9: Ah, that "highest" is a different question I was going to ask later. For now I just want something like "The height of Mount Eve...) [09:14:56] Yes it's much simpler shouldn't the numbers be in Igbo or we should just leave it like that (re @u99of9: Google tells me it might be "Elu nke Ugwu Everest dị mita 8,848.86." Does that look good?) [09:16:32] If you were writing an encyclopedia article about Mount Everest in Igbo, how would you write the numbers? (re @Luvoth: Yes it's much simpler shouldn't the numbers be in Igbo or we should just leave it like that) [09:17:18] Here the numbers in words (re @Luvoth: Yes right [09:17:19] Edit ; [09:17:20] Ogologo Ụgwụ Everest bụ puku asatọ na nari asatọ na iri anọ na asatọ na ntụpọ asatọ isii mita.) [09:19:21] Okay, we can write a function to convert the numbers to Igbo words. But first, I've started the other function you wanted the other night: Z39024 . This makes the phrase to describe an entity including its class, but not in a teaching sentence anymore, just the type name. [09:20:03] The more accepted word for height in Igbo is "ogologo" which means height.. but "elu" as goggle translates could mean different things. E.g elu = up [09:20:04] elu = height (re @u99of9: Google tells me it might be "Elu nke Ugwu Everest dị mita 8,848.86." Does that look good?) [09:20:55] Okay yes I'm ready 😊 (re @u99of9: Okay, we can write a function to convert the numbers to Igbo words. But first, I've started the other function you wanted the ot...) [09:21:40] Which word would you use for "elevation above sea level" or "altitude"? (re @Luvoth: The more accepted word for height in Igbo is "ogologo" which means height.. but "elu" as goggle translates could mean different ...) [09:24:43] "elu". Like I said it could mean different things (re @u99of9: Which word would you use for "elevation above sea level" or "altitude"?) [09:26:54] If we're talking about "height tall" "it's = "ogologo" short= "mkpụmkpụ" [09:29:19] In English there's a saying "on earth" in igbo lang it's "elu ụwa" -- the "elu" word means different things... It also means (on top) e.g "elu table " translation= "on top of the table" (re @Luvoth: "elu". Like I said it could mean different things) [09:29:20] If you want to make more tests at Z39024 you could make example Tests like "Ọbọdọ Owerri" or "Ụgwụ Chappal Waddi" (re @Luvoth: Okay yes I'm ready 😊) [09:31:23] I want you to tell me something... Like I want to understand something [09:31:25] What kind of tests can I be making like what kind of tests are important... What are their classes is it number or like this one we're working on e.g Ụgwụ Chappal Waddi or any more I would like to know (re @u99of9: If you want to make more tests at Z39024 you could make example Tests like "Ọbọdọ Owerri" or "Ụgwụ Chappal Waddi") [09:31:27] It looks like this is an example of Z39024. I'm not sure the classifier should be included in the label, but it definitely gets attached to lots of nouns when used. (re @Al: It looks as though it just puts “Ọnwa ” in front of the English label, which is presumably the same as what the Igbo label shoul...) [09:33:03] Ọnwa means different things in Igbo language... [09:33:04] Ọnwa is = moon [09:33:05] Ọnwa is = month [09:33:07] Ọnwa is = period of the month e.g raining season or summer (re @Al: It looks as though it just puts “Ọnwa ” in front of the English label, which is presumably the same as what the Igbo label shoul...) [09:33:40] The class is the type of thing, and the entity is the item itself. So, entity=Chappal Waddi, class=mountain. Should make a compound classifier-noun of "Ụgwụ Chappal Waddi". The other day you also gave examples of ethnic/people groups where you joined the word for people to the word for Japanese (for example). (re @Luvoth: I want you to tell me something... Like I want [09:33:40] to understand something [09:33:41] What kind of tests can I be making like what kind of t...) [09:34:19] That's okay, we have Wikidata items for many of those separately, but they can all have the same Igbo label. (re @Luvoth: Ọnwa means different things in Igbo language... [09:34:19] Ọnwa is = moon [09:34:20] Ọnwa is = month [09:34:22] Ọnwa is = period of the month e.g raining seaso...) [09:35:48] One thing I didn't understand from Google is whether the class should always be capitalised or not? For example, is it obodo/Obodo in the sentence: "Anyị bi n'*obodo* Naịjirịa." [09:36:16] Ohhk e.g class = season [09:36:17] Entity raining season [09:36:19] Should make a compound classifier in my language like "oge udu mmiri " meaning raining season right ? (re @u99of9: The class is the type of thing, and the entity is the item itself. So, entity=Chappal Waddi, class=mountain. Should make a compo...) [09:37:45] Yes, that sounds like a good one. I hope we have an item for "rainy season". I'll have a look. [09:39:09] Yes we do: Q3117517. See if you can add that as a test. My composition will fail your test so far, because we don't have the Igbo label for Q3117517. But it's good to make hard tests. (re @u99of9: Yes, that sounds like a good one. I hope we have an item for "rainy season". I'll have a look.) [09:39:19] That sentence "Anyị bi n'obodo Naijiria... You see that "*n'obodo*" that ( n' ) added at that ọbọdọ is used when the beginning of the next word sentence starts from a vowel sound. But if it's not a vowel sound letter e.g "na ji (which is yam) "j" consonant then you can fully write the "na" I hope you understand (re @u99of9: One thing I didn't understand from Google is [09:39:19] whe [09:39:19] ther the class should always be capitalised or not? For example, is it obodo/Obo...) [09:40:11] Okay on it now (re @wikilinksbot: Q3117517 – wet season) [09:40:16] French has something like that! But I'm not quite up to that in Igbo sorry! (re @Luvoth: That sentence "Anyị bi n'obodo Naijiria... You see that "n'obodo" that ( n' ) added at that ọbọdọ is used when the beginning of ...) [09:40:45] Great. When it asks you for "variant of Igbo" just enter "Igbo". This is so we can deal with different dialects later. (re @Luvoth: Okay on it now) [09:48:28] I'm not seeing an Igbo lang box there how should I add it I've scrolled down and didn't see an Igbo box how should I edit add : https://tools-static.wmflabs.org/bridgebot/0c187021/file_82866.jpg [09:48:29] https://tools-static.wmflabs.org/bridgebot/4d772e05/file_82867.jpg [09:49:57] Ahh, you're right, it's hiding most languages from you. I'll find the place you can show you know Igbo. Just a minute. (re @Luvoth: I'm not seeing an Igbo lang box there how should I add it [09:49:58] I've scrolled down and didn't see an Igbo box how should I edit add) [09:50:17] Okay (re @u99of9: Ahh, you're right, it's hiding most languages from you. I'll find the place you can show you know Igbo. Just a minute.) [09:53:14] If you go to your Wikidata user page, add this code in: {{#babel:ibo-N|en-3}} and add more codes (with | spacers) for any other languages you want to see. (re @Luvoth: Okay) [09:53:38] Your user page is at https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/User:SephyPHC [09:53:52] Yes okay (re @u99of9: Your user page is at https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/User:SephyPHC) [09:54:21] {{#babel:ibo-N|en-3}} means your native language is Igbo, and that you have a good level of English. [09:54:48] Once you have that code on your userpage, the list of langauges on Wikidata will always show those two languages (and any more you add). [09:55:12] Okay thanks I will do it now 👍 (re @u99of9: Once you have that code on your userpage, the list of langauges on Wikidata will always show those two languages (and any more y...) [10:01:27] Yes thanks bro I'm just learning new things wow 👍💯 I will go try that one again : https://tools-static.wmflabs.org/bridgebot/0b403e1a/file_82868.jpg [10:03:01] Yes, I can see it on your userpage, so I think it should work. (re @Luvoth: Yes thanks bro I'm just learning new things wow 👍💯 I will go try that one again) [10:03:02] I just did : https://tools-static.wmflabs.org/bridgebot/e60549c2/file_82869.jpg [10:03:04] https://tools-static.wmflabs.org/bridgebot/774233a7/file_82870.jpg [10:03:13] It worked (re @u99of9: Yes, I can see it on your userpage, so I think it should work.) [10:04:07] Excellent. Don't capitalise the O at the start of "oge" (unless it's always capitals, even in the middle of a sentence) [10:04:37] Like how the English is "wet season" not "Wet season" [10:05:54] Okay I just edited it : https://tools-static.wmflabs.org/bridgebot/9c66f865/file_82871.jpg [10:06:55] I have learnt some useful things from you I'm very glad ... Thought Wikipedia only ends in editing and creating articles there's more to it [10:09:41] I should add dry season translation as well is there a code to search and put up that one too [10:10:04] Or we should leave it first (re @Luvoth: I should add dry season translation as well is there a code to search and put up that one too) [10:11:02] Sure! That would be helpful too. This is how you search Wikidata: : https://tools-static.wmflabs.org/bridgebot/f21380c6/file_82872.jpg [10:11:47] Okay I will try too. [10:11:47] We only have two seasons here raining and dry I think I should add dry season too (re @u99of9: Sure! That would be helpful too. This is how you search Wikidata:) [10:12:10] You can choose however you want to contribute. There are a lot of labels missing in Igbo. Or you can keep adding Igbo tests in Wikifunctions. All of those things are useful. [10:12:49] Someone has already done that : https://tools-static.wmflabs.org/bridgebot/b4c9f411/file_82873.jpg [10:13:28] Labels and tests are important.. I will try too all of them (re @u99of9: You can choose however you want to contribute. There are a lot of labels missing in Igbo. Or you can keep adding Igbo tests in W...) [10:14:22] Wish you have list of all the ones you've added to yours all over the years I could begin adding them little by little [10:15:17] These labels adding stuff is easier then the tests which is trickier to understand but I am understanding it [10:17:00] I need to drop my father-in-law home now. So I will go. But I'm sure there are others here who can help you if you have more questions. Or I will be back later. [10:17:10] I will be adding them one by one : https://tools-static.wmflabs.org/bridgebot/4b7fa952/file_82874.jpg [10:17:39] Yes, there are ways to make lists, but I'll show you that later. (re @Luvoth: Wish you have list of all the ones you've added to yours all over the years I could begin adding them little by little) [10:17:43] Ok it's fine ... Have a great day (re @u99of9: I need to drop my father-in-law home now. So I will go. But I'm sure there are others here who can help you if you have more que...) [10:18:35] Okay I'm active (re @u99of9: Yes, there are ways to make lists, but I'll show you that later.) [10:20:31] If you go to https://abstract.wikipedia.org/view/en/Q408 and choose Igbo, if you click on any of those pencils ✏️ it will take you to a Wikidata item that needs an Igbo label. : https://tools-static.wmflabs.org/bridgebot/b0f8f9db/file_82875.jpg [11:02:07] I’m not sure either, it’s just odd that Igbo months like Z16928 don’t have Igbo labels, so that Z16000 prefixes the English label. (re @u99of9: It looks like this is an example of Z39024. I'm not sure the classifier should be included in the label, but it definitely gets ...) [11:12:07] ? I'm seeing Igbo: https://www.wikifunctions.org/view/en/Z16000?call=%7B%22Z1K1%22%3A%22Z7%22%2C%22Z7K1%22%3A%22Z16000%22%2C%22Z16000K1%22%3A%22Z16929%22%7D (re @Al: I’m not sure either, it’s just odd that Igbo months like Z16928 don’t have Igbo labels, so that Z16000 prefixes the English labe...) [11:14:41] Yes, sorry… I was referring specifically to Z34593. (re @u99of9: ? I'm seeing Igbo: https://www.wikifunctions.org/view/en/Z16000?call=%7B%22Z1K1%22%3A%22Z7%22%2C%22Z7K1%22%3A%22Z16000%22%2C%22Z...) [12:20:32] Okay, I've looked at it all now. Yes, those labels could be copied to best reside at Igbo. But realistically I think our English labels should reflect the Igbo name too, so I don't think this will change much. (re @Al: I’m not sure either, it’s just odd that Igbo months like Z16928 don’t have Igbo labels, so that Z16000 prefixes the English labe...) [12:26:24] Ah, good. Thank you. We may have a spelling mistake. Shouldn’t we have a dot under the final o in “Ọnwa Abụo” (for Z16929), as in Igbo cardinal 2 (https://www.wikifunctions.org/view/en/Z16053?call=%7B%22Z1K1%22%3A%22Z7%22%2C%22Z7K1%22%3A%22Z16053%22%2C%22Z16053K1%22%3A%7B%22Z1K1%22%3A%22Z13518%22%2C%22Z13518K1%22%3A%222%22%7D%7D)? (re @Luvoth: Ọnwa means different thi [12:26:24] [12:26:25] ngs in Igbo language... [12:26:26] Ọnwa is = moon [12:26:28] Ọnwa is = month [12:26:29] Ọnwa is = period of the month e.g raining seaso...) [16:15:02] Hello good evening everyone please I'm having difficulties here... I can't add translation to this word... What needs to be done or is it locked or something : https://tools-static.wmflabs.org/bridgebot/7d2beb36/file_82884.jpg [16:15:12] This is very accurate (re @Al: Ah, good. Thank you. We may have a spelling mistake. Shouldn’t we have a dot under the final o in “Ọnwa Abụo” (for Z16929), as i...) [16:17:52] Yes, this item is semi-protected: https://www.wikidata.org/w/index.php?title=Special:Log&type=protect&page=Q14952 (re @Luvoth: Hello good evening everyone please I'm having difficulties here... I can't add translation to this word... What needs to be done...) [16:20:00] So what can I do ? (re @Jan_ainali: Yes, this item is semi-protected: https://www.wikidata.org/w/index.php?title=Special:Log&type=protect&page=Q14952) [16:21:53] No worries it's good like that (re @Al: Ah, good. Thank you. We may have a spelling mistake. Shouldn’t we have a dot under the final o in “Ọnwa Abụo” (for Z16929), as i...) [16:21:53] The log message I link to explains it. Can you not see it? (re @Luvoth: So what can I do ?) [16:28:08] I see it (re @Jan_ainali: The log message I linked to explains it. Can you not see it?) [16:38:07] Also, not explicitly mentioned in the message, if you do more than X edits (50 edits and 4 days if I recall correctly), you won't be affected by semi-protection anymore (re @Luvoth: I see it) [16:42:09] I'm gonna keep up till it unlocks... I've done more than 50 edits on my ACC but it was a few months ago (re @NicolasVIGNERON: Also, not explicitly mentioned in the message, if you do more than X edits (50 edits and 4 days if I recall correctly), you won'...) [16:47:41] On Wikidata you have made 8 edits so far. Other projects doesn't count towards this limit. (re @Luvoth: I'm gonna keep up till it unlocks... I've done more than 50 edits on my ACC(in 4 days) but it was a few months ago) [16:49:32] Ohhk I understand. This type only counts on Wikidata. (re @Jan_ainali: On Wikidata you have made 8 edits so far. Other projects doesn't count towards this limit.) [16:49:45] Thanks [18:31:18] Reading even more carefully, I have now concluded that “this” must refer to the list of languages, not the list of candidate articles. (re @Jan_ainali: Huh. I read that paragraph as the community of the reusers being in control and not being restricted by the developers, and not ...) [19:18:07] Hmm… this table (https://www.wikifunctions.org/view/en/Z36849?call=%7B%22Z1K1%22%3A%22Z7%22%2C%22Z7K1%22%3A%22Z36849%22%2C%22Z36849K1%22%3A%22Z1004%22%7D) has cropped up on [[:abstract: Q29343602]]. Obviously French pronouns are rather more complex than that!