[00:00:57] <wm-bb>	 <cassianreedy> 9145
[00:58:21] <wm-bb>	 <u99of9> Welcome Cassian
[01:31:45] <wm-bb>	 <Luvoth> Hello everyone... Good evening It's nighttime here 
[01:31:46] <wm-bb>	 <Luvoth> Please I want to learn how to lock a Wiki article against vandalism
[01:32:57] <wm-bb>	 <Luvoth> And update about the Wikidata on my ACC I no longer see the pencil icon to add translation to my language.. doesn't know if it's a restriction or something... It's not even allowing me to make at least 15 edits a day
[01:41:11] <wm-bb>	 <Luvoth> And I also want to learn that if someone edits an article with bad intentions or lies.. want to learn how to revert it to keep the original teaching
[01:42:54] <wm-bb>	 <u99of9> The explanation of reverting on the English Wikipedia is here: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Help:Reverting. The Igbo Wikipedia may have similar advice. (re @Luvoth: And I also want to learn that if someone edits an article with bad intentions or lies.. want to learn how to revert it to keep t...)
[01:46:07] <wm-bb>	 <u99of9> What do you see when you are logged in to your account and go to https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Q43702 ? This is what I see. Click the pencil at the top right to edit. : https://tools-static.wmflabs.org/bridgebot/0a78c256/file_82922.jpg
[01:47:51] <wm-bb>	 <Luvoth> Thank you (re @u99of9: The explanation of reverting on the English Wikipedia is here: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Help:Reverting. The Igbo Wikipedia ...)
[01:48:21] <wm-bb>	 <Luvoth> This is what mine shows : https://tools-static.wmflabs.org/bridgebot/f5a108d3/file_82923.jpg
[01:50:37] <wm-bb>	 <u99of9> Ah. In mobile view I have the pencil here: : https://tools-static.wmflabs.org/bridgebot/c4377dce/file_82924.jpg
[01:51:16] <wm-bb>	 <Luvoth> Sad. I don't know why mine is like that I'm stuck (re @u99of9: Ah. In mobile view I have the pencil here:)
[01:51:22] <wm-bb>	 <Mateo> Would it be possible for you to zoom out a little? It looks like the UI is getting a little crammed so the pencil doesn't have room to appear
[01:53:07] <wm-bb>	 <Luvoth> Yes. I'm seeing a key there don't know what it means : https://tools-static.wmflabs.org/bridgebot/5cf0e92b/file_82925.jpg
[01:53:08] <wm-bb>	 <Luvoth> https://tools-static.wmflabs.org/bridgebot/73d855e6/file_82926.jpg
[01:54:14] <wm-bb>	 <Mateo> Oh I see. This is because the page is protected, meaning that only accounts that have more than 50 edits and 4 days old can edit it. If you paste it here one of us can edit the page.
[01:56:27] <wm-bb>	 <u99of9> Oh, that is a semi-protection icon (details here: https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Protection_policy), sorry, I picked a busy page. Less important items would not be protected.
[01:58:24] <wm-bb>	 <u99of9> For example, this page should show a pencil for you (I've checked that it's not protected) https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Q174825
[02:04:27] <wm-bb>	 <Luvoth> There are loads of things I want to edit but I have understood I will have to run up my ACC edits (re @Mateo: Oh I see. This is because the page is protected, meaning that only accounts that have more than 50 edits and 4 days old can edit...)
[02:05:18] <wm-bb>	 <Luvoth> Yeah I saw the labels... I think I'm on semi protection (re @u99of9: Oh, that is a semi-protection icon (details here: https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Protection_policy), sorry, I picked a b...)
[02:06:13] <wm-bb>	 <u99of9> I guess I'd say you're affected by semi-protection, but that only stops you for items which are actually semi-protected. There are plenty of items which are not. (re @Luvoth: Yeah I saw the labels... I think I'm on semi protection)
[02:10:18] <wm-bb>	 <Luvoth> It's not locked yes I just edited : https://tools-static.wmflabs.org/bridgebot/c759c458/file_82928.jpg
[02:10:59] <wm-bb>	 <Luvoth> Yes I understand ụnụ thank you (re @u99of9: I guess I'd say you're affected by semi-protection, but that only stops you for items which are actually semi-protected. There a...)
[02:11:22] <wm-bb>	 <Luvoth> Thanks (re @Mateo: Oh I see. This is because the page is protected, meaning that only accounts that have more than 50 edits and 4 days old can edit...)
[04:53:09] <[[smlckz]]>	 "Faster development of new programming languages due to accessing a wider standard library (or repository) of functions in a new dedicated wiki." Does this continue to be a goal of Wikifunctions? https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Abstract_Wikipedia/Goals
[06:01:11] <[[smlckz]]>	 "Imagine a programming system that is truly geared to a mobile-first world, and where the execution of the code and the data flow become intelligently managed and distributed." What does the latter part mean?
[06:05:15] <wm-bb>	 <u99of9> Perhaps partially satisfied by the composition system using the "best" implementation at every node, and keeping that "best" up to date.  Distributed: cached and evaluated on WMF servers?? (improving recently...) (re @wmtelegram_bot: <[[smlckz]]> "Imagine a programming system that is truly geared to a mobile-first world, and where the execution of the code and...)
[06:06:53] <wm-bb>	 <u99of9> Sounds like a long shot, but the APIs do seem to work. So reusers could sort of go in this direction... (re @wmtelegram_bot: <[[smlckz]]> "Faster development of new programming languages due to accessing a wider standard library (or repository) of funct...)
[07:23:37] <[[smlckz]]>	 u99of9: Where can these APIs be found?
[07:25:49] <wm-bb>	 <u99of9> I'm travelling at the moment, but I would just search, so try that
[08:02:39] <wm-bb>	 <Al> We should have a link from Wikifunctions somewhere. This looks like it:
[08:02:40] <wm-bb>	 <Al> https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Wikifunctions_API (re @wmtelegram_bot: <[[smlckz]]> u99of9: Where can these APIs be found?)
[08:51:17] <wm-bb>	 <jsamwrites> But we can't create new functions (re @Al: We should have a link from Wikifunctions somewhere. This looks like it:
[08:51:17] <wm-bb>	 <jsamwrites> https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Wikifunctions_API)
[09:22:33] <wm-bb>	 <Luvoth> Help! I have been blocked on Wiktionary . I don't know why : https://tools-static.wmflabs.org/bridgebot/6a653bed/file_82931.jpg
[09:26:20] <[[smlckz]]>	 ugh, looking at the resulting JSON, it's like swimming in lots of z's and k's.. is there any converter to and from this and s-expressions (for example) already implemented, especially for functions implemented as "composition"s
[09:27:34] <wm-bb>	 <NicolasVIGNERON> the reason is "multiple accounts"
[09:27:35] <wm-bb>	 <NicolasVIGNERON> strange, I'll look into it and talk with you in dm (re @Luvoth: Help! I have been blocked on Wiktionary . I don't know why)
[09:35:38] <[[smlckz]]>	 Or at least a self-contained/sufficient "evaluator" of this 'canonical form' (iiuc)..
[10:30:35] <wm-bb>	 <u99of9> No I think you might be the first person trying to use it! (re @wmtelegram_bot: <[[smlckz]]> Or at least a self-contained/sufficient "evaluator" of this 'canonical form' (iiuc)..)
[13:42:02] <[[smlckz]]>	 Hmm.. so, where can the entire catalog of functions (and types etc.) be downloaded, instead of fetching one by one.. like how the entire text of wikipedia is available for download, what's the equivalent for wikifunctions
[13:44:14] <wm-bb>	 <u99of9> There are dumps like for Wikipedia. One danger if you're trying to use them for computation is that I don't think they include the source code for the built-in functions.
[13:48:42] <wm-bb>	 <Al> I’ve filed T434422 but I’m still thinking about the Z4K1.Z4K1 problem, because it looks like a simple de-reference of the reference in Z4K1, and I’m not sure why it appears to affect only enumeration types. (re @u99of9: Thanks for figuring this out. It sounds like a ticket is necessary.)
[13:50:20] <wm-bb>	 <NicolasVIGNERON> there is indeed dumps: https://dumps.wikimedia.org/abstractwiki/20260801/ (not sure what they contain exactly, I've never checked)
[13:50:20] <wm-bb>	 <NicolasVIGNERON> maybe it's a good case for Wikimedia Entreprise too... (re @u99of9: There are dumps like for Wikipedia. One danger if you're trying to use them for computation is that I don't think they include t...)
[13:55:01] <[[smlckz]]>	 > I don't think they include the source code for the built-in functions < right, built-ins have to be implemented in the evaluators.. which reminds me, do you have meta-circular evaluator of this compostion canonical form?
[14:00:12] <[[smlckz]]>	 Found this month's dump here: https://dumps.wikimedia.org/wikifunctionswiki/20260801/
[14:12:05] <wm-bb>	 <u99of9> I don't have anything. But this is all an open source project, so I'm sure you can dig into the source code somewhere. (re @wmtelegram_bot: <[[smlckz]]> > I don't think they include the source code for the built-in functions < right, built-ins have to be implemented i...)
[14:13:47] <wm-bb>	 <Al> Right, so I think it affects all types after all. I’m inclined not to report it, because the Z4K1 can be either a reference or an object, just like anything else. (re @Al: I’ve filed T434422 but I’m still thinking about the Z4K1.Z4K1 problem, because it looks like a simple de-reference of the refere...)
[14:17:48] <wm-bb>	 <Al> I think Yoshi put links on the implementation talk pages, like https://www.wikifunctions.org/wiki/Talk:Z901. (See https://www.wikifunctions.org/wiki/Template:Link_to_source_for_builtin.) (re @u99of9: I don't have anything. But this is all an open source project, so I'm sure you can dig into the source code somewhere.)
[14:19:02] <wm-bb>	 <u99of9> Oh that's neat!! I was unaware. (re @Al: I think Yoshi put links on the implementation talk pages, like https://www.wikifunctions.org/wiki/Talk:Z901. (See https://www.wi...)