[08:29:59] <wm-bb>	 <jsamwrites> We have one more comment on [[abstract:Project chat]] regarding the purpose of AW. I hesitate to reply
[08:30:43] <wm-bb>	 <Jan_ainali> (You forgot the namespace in the link.) (re @jsamwrites: We have one more comment on [[abstract:Project chat]] regarding the purpose of AW. I hesitate to reply)
[08:32:35] <wm-bb>	 <jsamwrites> https://abstract.wikipedia.org/wiki/Abstract_Wikipedia:Project_chat#Who_is_this_for?
[08:37:00] <wm-bb>	 <jsamwrites> Thanks for your reply. (re @Jan_ainali: (You forgot the namespace in the link.))
[08:37:36] <wm-bb>	 <NicolasVIGNERON> The answer by Jan is a bit dry but good enough for now. (re @jsamwrites: https://abstract.wikipedia.org/wiki/Abstract_Wikipedia:Project_chat#Who_is_this_for?)
[08:38:28] <wm-bb>	 <jsamwrites> It's sometimes discouraging when we are constantly asked the same question again and again. We are in a building phase..
[08:38:45] <wm-bb>	 <NicolasVIGNERON> And the question is actually interesting, indeed we are still searching exactly what we are doing right now, maybe we should acknowledge that 🤔
[08:39:18] <wm-bb>	 <jsamwrites> I will add additional ideas.
[08:46:33] <wm-bb>	 <Al> It’s a very broad question. As I mentioned in [[:abstract:Abstract_Wikipedia_talk:About#How_does_Abstract_Wikipedia_work?]], we should be developing a “community roadmap” to articulate the holistic vision of the community: where we are now, where we hope to be soon and what else we need to be doing to progress beyond that. (re @jsamwrites: We have one more comment on
[08:46:33] <wm-bb>	 [[abst <clipped message>
[08:46:33] <wm-bb>	 <Al> ract:Project chat]] regarding the purpose of AW. I hesitate to reply)
[08:55:02] <wm-bb>	 <jsamwrites> Agree, I added some of my thoughts there. (re @Al: It’s a very broad question. As I mentioned in [[:abstract:Abstract_Wikipedia_talk:About#How_does_Abstract_Wikipedia_work?]], we ...)
[08:56:14] <wm-bb>	 <NicolasVIGNERON> It should be flexible, a roadmap would be good 
[08:56:15] <wm-bb>	 <NicolasVIGNERON> Personally I would love some idea on abstract content for non-wikimedia projects (I've seen shy first tries for Wiktionary, I have a few ideas for Wikisource, there is a lot more potential there) (re @Al: It’s a very broad question. As I mentioned in [[:abstract:Abstract_Wikipedia_talk:About#How_does_Abstract_Wikipedia_work?]], we ...)
[08:58:08] <wm-bb>	 <jsamwrites> Wikisource has a lot of potential, I wanted to try some ideas on my user page, but it's not yet activated there
[08:59:03] <wm-bb>	 <cvictorovich> For instance? (re @jsamwrites: Wikisource has a lot of potential, I wanted to try some ideas on my user page, but it's not yet activated there)
[09:00:05] <wm-bb>	 <jsamwrites> Citing precise pages for a particular word or a phrase or a quote
[09:00:51] <wm-bb>	 <jsamwrites> I wanted to test that to link quotes and the source
[09:01:19] <wm-bb>	 <jsamwrites> Also, to cite the etymology of certain words
[09:01:20] <wm-bb>	 <cvictorovich> Where has it been activated (re @jsamwrites: Wikisource has a lot of potential, I wanted to try some ideas on my user page, but it's not yet activated there)
[09:01:52] <wm-bb>	 <jsamwrites> It's working on French wiktionary
[09:02:03] <wm-bb>	 <cvictorovich> You edit there? (re @jsamwrites: It's working on French wiktionary)
[09:02:17] <wm-bb>	 <cvictorovich> And you can DM me what you’re testing
[09:03:37] <wm-bb>	 <jsamwrites> https://fr.wiktionary.org/wiki/Utilisateur:Jsamwrites
[09:04:11] <wm-bb>	 <jsamwrites> Use of inflection tables using data from Wikidata lexemes
[09:05:15] <wm-bb>	 <cvictorovich> Very useful (re @jsamwrites: Use of inflection tables using data from Wikidata lexemes)
[09:05:37] <wm-bb>	 <cvictorovich> We might in the future deprecate all currently used conjugation tables
[09:06:55] <wm-bb>	 <cvictorovich> But this might need discussion (re @cvictorovich: We might in the future deprecate all currently used conjugation tables)
[09:07:18] <wm-bb>	 <cvictorovich> VIGNERON is definitely one who we can ask (re @cvictorovich: But this might need discussion)
[09:22:19] <wm-bb>	 <NicolasVIGNERON> That could be useful for Wikiquote too (re @jsamwrites: Citing precise pages for a particular word or a phrase or a quote)
[09:23:17] <wm-bb>	 <NicolasVIGNERON> Oh nice, etymology generation would be hard but it's definitely worth it! (re @jsamwrites: Also, to cite the etymology of certain words)
[09:26:39] <wm-bb>	 <Al> There is always a risk that tables may contain too many links, but I think an inflection table sourced from Wikidata should contain a link to the lexeme. I’d also be inclined to link to the function. Somewhere in our roadmap we should mention *T419561, *which I raised following discussions with French Wiktionarians ([[Wikifunctions talk:WikiProject Wiktionary
[09:26:39] <wm-bb>	 functions]]). (re <clipped message>
[09:26:41] <wm-bb>	 <Al> @jsamwrites: Use of inflection tables using data from Wikidata lexemes)
[11:52:29] <wm-bb>	 <vrandecic> I made a Type for Grapheme: Z40783 per [[Wikifunctions:Type proposals/Grapheme]]. Let me know if it works!
[12:45:28] <wm-bb>	 <u99of9> Thanks. Please can you consider Julian dates soon? (re @vrandecic: I made a Type for Grapheme: Z40783 per [[Wikifunctions:Type proposals/Grapheme]]. Let me know if it works!)
[12:46:36] <wm-bb>	 <vrandecic> they're literally top of my list for the next type. I just wanted to check in with David if there is any special consideration there. if not, they should come in the next few days!
[12:53:32] <wm-bb>	 <u99of9> I should prepare a URL type proposal. I've come to the opinion that we should avoid all String or Monolingual data entry on AW, because too many newcomers try to add text. Adding a URL is language-independent though, so could continue to be allowed by carving out a type for it.
[13:09:10] <[[smlckz]]>	 Regarding URL, you might want to take a look at: https://url.spec.whatwg.org/ and good old https://www.rfc-editor.org/info/rfc3986/
[13:12:14] <wm-bb>	 <u99of9> Is that for a validator, or do you think the type itself should be more complicated than just a key with a string? (re @wmtelegram_bot: <[[smlckz]]> Regarding URL, you might want to take a look at: https://url.spec.whatwg.org/ and good old https://www.rfc-editor.o...)
[13:15:19] <[[smlckz]]>	 "should be more complicated" I wonder.. I'd obviously would like it as you say, but look at Z20838.. what is the precedent then?
[13:18:28] <[[smlckz]]>	 Regarding making floats (and ints) represented with just a string as well, Virinas-code wrote this up https://www.wikifunctions.org/wiki/Wikifunctions:Proposal_for_built-in_number_types 
[13:21:36] <wm-bb>	 <u99of9> Z20838
[13:22:49] <[[smlckz]]>	 When we will have stronger type hygiene (let's call it that), we would be better off adhering to ''Parse, don't validate'': https://lexi-lambda.github.io/blog/2019/11/05/parse-don-t-validate/
[13:27:16] <[[smlckz]]>	 Also ''make illegal states unrepresentable'': https://fsharpforfunandprofit.com/posts/designing-with-types-making-illegal-states-unrepresentable/
[14:16:22] <wm-bb>	 <vrandecic> I think what we need here is a property with a ZID as the value on Wikidata (re @u99of9: I agree we need a way to do it, but I don't agree with your reason. Nevertheless, since we both want to be able to do it automat...)
[15:07:38] <wm-bb>	 <Earldridge Jazzed> I can't create functions in Wikifunctions now, it says I do not have permission. : https://tools-static.wmflabs.org/bridgebot/6f46cb32/file_83528.jpg
[15:11:22] <wm-bb>	 <cvictorovich> Ask @u99of9 to grant you functioneer flag (re @Earldridge Jazzed: I can't create functions in Wikifunctions now, it says I do not have permission.)
[15:11:49] <wm-bb>	 <cvictorovich> Since you’ve been constructively editing for long
[15:13:15] <wm-bb>	 <Earldridge Jazzed> The last time I created a function before this happened was 5 days ago (re @Earldridge Jazzed: I can't create functions in Wikifunctions now, it says I do not have permission.)
[15:13:32] <wm-bb>	 <cvictorovich> But this definitely works (re @cvictorovich: Ask @u99of9 to grant you functioneer flag)
[15:13:46] <wm-bb>	 <cvictorovich> If that’s not enough, I might vouch for you
[15:14:34] <wm-bb>	 <Earldridge Jazzed> I'm not sure if it is a bug or if it was intended (re @Earldridge Jazzed: I can't create functions in Wikifunctions now, it says I do not have permission.)
[15:14:52] <wm-bb>	 <cvictorovich> Vouch that you would edit constructively here (re @cvictorovich: If that’s not enough, I might vouch for you)
[21:13:49] <wm-bb>	 <u99of9> I don't understand this solution. Which ZID would be the value of that triple for the subject Q7819319 ? (re @vrandecic: I think what we need here is a property with a ZID as the value on Wikidata)