[07:56:55] <WikiForgeRelay>	 <borderman.ww1> Strange behaviour on my wiki this morning. Refreshing page sometimes works, other times it doesn't. Clicking on random page in the sidebar seems to load pages ok so far.
[08:07:52] <WikiForgeRelay>	 <songngu.xyz, replying to borderman.ww1> you aren't alone
[08:08:19] <WikiForgeRelay>	 <jeb_cc> Yyeep, same
[08:43:02] <WikiForgeRelay>	 <songngu.xyz> [1/2] Reception is on-call, hope we will be fine soon
[08:43:02] <WikiForgeRelay>	 <songngu.xyz> [2/2] (and it would be just a command away to wipe my wiki's ManageWiki settings)
[08:45:53] <WikiForgeRelay>	 <borderman.ww1, replying to songngu.xyz> You still having problems with ManageWiki? That was a few weeks back wasn't it?
[08:46:01] <WikiForgeRelay>	 <songngu.xyz> yep.
[08:47:13] <WikiForgeRelay>	 <borderman.ww1> Oh, what's causing the problem?
[08:48:10] <WikiForgeRelay>	 <songngu.xyz> TypeError, might be something with the Citizen's settings
[08:48:49] <WikiForgeRelay>	 <songngu.xyz> or the shared upload repository?
[08:49:35] <WikiForgeRelay>	 <songngu.xyz> yea, its hard to enforce types of settings here
[08:51:01] <WikiForgeRelay>	 <borderman.ww1> Will a hard reset fix it? Then slowly add your setting back as you want them.
[08:51:41] <WikiForgeRelay>	 <songngu.xyz, replying to borderman.ww1> I guess so
[08:51:53] <WikiForgeRelay>	 <songngu.xyz> I already mention in T35
[08:53:40] <WikiForgeRelay>	 <borderman.ww1> Hope you get it sorted soon!
[08:57:02] <WikiForgeRelay>	 <songngu.xyz, replying to borderman.ww1> I hoped so, it's the best if we can just erase the settings in emergency using the core settings page
[13:57:04] <WikiForgeRelay>	 <xanaweb> [1/3] got
[13:57:05] <WikiForgeRelay>	 <xanaweb> [2/3] ``[086904c25c987b0ba8754e82] 2023-11-04 13:56:34: Fatal exception of type InvalidArgumentException``
[13:57:05] <WikiForgeRelay>	 <xanaweb> [3/3] upon loading the main page of my wiki. is this error on my end, or should i just wait until yous clear it?
[13:58:11] <WikiForgeRelay>	 <skeptic2726> Not just you. 😔
[14:05:17] <WikiForgeRelay>	 <songngu.xyz, replying to xanaweb> you aren't alone
[14:38:47] <WikiForgeRelay>	 <songngu.xyz> Bonus: CloudFlare are having degraded services for quite a whiles rn
[16:26:19] <WikiForgeRelay>	 <linstarguy> Hi, @neshomeh
[16:26:32] <WikiForgeRelay>	 <linstarguy, replying to notaracham> @neshomeh
[16:26:32] <WikiForgeRelay>	 <neshomeh> Hello!
[16:28:22] <WikiForgeRelay>	 <neshomeh> FYI I'm an admin on PPC Wiki; thought I'd join Linstar here and be available to help answer any questions about our wiki/community.
[17:03:23] <WikiForgeRelay>	 <songngu.xyz> btw i'm still wondering if they will ask for a junior SRE to work with them
[17:04:39] <WikiForgeRelay>	 <agentisai> who?
[17:06:06] <WikiForgeRelay>	 <songngu.xyz> like, I think I will go and learn to be an SRE, hope to help someone like us
[17:07:44] <WikiForgeRelay>	 <songngu.xyz> some advanced access will helps if, idk, I can quickly resolves issues with that-
[17:08:16] <WikiForgeRelay>	 <songngu.xyz, replying to agentisai> still crying about the ManageWiki atm
[17:10:18] <WikiForgeRelay>	 <agentisai, replying to songngu.xyz> An SRE handles our entire stack: virtualization, database, ElasticSearch, webserver, Redis, memcached, etc.
[17:10:25] <WikiForgeRelay>	 <agentisai> I think what you're looking for is MWE
[17:10:29] <WikiForgeRelay>	 <agentisai> A MediaWiki Engineer
[17:10:35] <WikiForgeRelay>	 <songngu.xyz> I see
[17:10:53] <WikiForgeRelay>	 <agentisai> If you have good experience with MediaWiki then there shouldn't be much issue with going for MWE
[17:10:54] <WikiForgeRelay>	 <songngu.xyz> still going to be a learning curve to me
[17:15:09] <WikiForgeRelay>	 <songngu.xyz, replying to agentisai> have sometime looking at T35 and wipe the ManageWiki settings?
[17:29:27] <WikiForgeRelay>	 <songngu.xyz> looking at the WikiTech page (https://wikitech.wikimedia.org/wiki/MediaWiki_Engineering), this is not that hard if I got to know what I should do daily
[17:47:30] <WikiForgeRelay>	 <notaracham, replying to neshomeh> Thanks for taking the time to chat with us, looking forward to hearing how your community decides to proceed.
[17:48:57] <WikiForgeRelay>	 <notaracham, replying to songngu.xyz> Like I mentioned to the last person who asked, we're always looking for more folks with the knowledge or desire to learn.  I'm up-skilling too, though it's slow going with RL work and education. 😄
[17:49:42] <WikiForgeRelay>	 <notaracham, replying to xanaweb> Still seeing this at this point?  It seems like it's calmed down on impacted wikis by the time I came online today...
[17:49:58] <WikiForgeRelay>	 <songngu.xyz, replying to notaracham> as Agent suggesting to me, I'm most perfect for a MWE-
[17:50:35] <WikiForgeRelay>	 <songngu.xyz, replying to notaracham> it does on my side
[17:56:07] <WikiForgeRelay>	 <songngu.xyz> lol
[18:07:31] <WikiForgeRelay>	 <xanaweb, replying to notaracham> it's fixed for me, thank you
[18:12:49] <WikiForgeRelay>	 <songngu.xyz> might it just be resolved itself or there might be more to come
[18:13:54] <WikiForgeRelay>	 <songngu.xyz> there are some repetitive tasks and stuffs, let's say, WT are quite understaff-ed rn
[18:15:42] <WikiForgeRelay>	 <songngu.xyz> hope I can help and also collecting experiences for what might be my future job?
[18:27:14] <WikiForgeRelay>	 <agentisai> WT isn't understaffed technically, the issue is that the tasks at hand require lots of MW knowledge
[18:27:28] <WikiForgeRelay>	 <agentisai> like nuking ManageWiki config isn't as simple as running a script T
[18:27:41] <WikiForgeRelay>	 <agentisai> or even better, pressing a button
[18:29:23] <WikiForgeRelay>	 <theghostofinky> Special:ManageWiki/namespaces doesn't have an option to create new namespaces, what is the way to create them? Currently we have several migrated pages resting on the (main) namespace as a result
[18:32:29] <WikiForgeRelay>	 <agentisai, replying to theghostofinky> Are you a bureaucrat of the wiki?
[18:33:30] <WikiForgeRelay>	 <theghostofinky> Yes
[18:33:35] <WikiForgeRelay>	 <agentisai> What wiki?
[18:34:04] <WikiForgeRelay>	 <theghostofinky> https://polcompball.wikitide.org
[18:35:20] <WikiForgeRelay>	 <agentisai> And when you go to ManageWiki/namespaces, does it say "Manage this wiki's namespaces" or "View..."
[18:57:45] <WikiForgeRelay>	 <theghostofinky, replying to agentisai> Managing existing namespaces
[20:20:08] <WikiForgeRelay>	 <agentisai> I'll investigate that later
[20:20:27] <WikiForgeRelay>	 <agentisai> I can see the screen to create new namespaces but it's odd that you can't
[20:28:43] <WikiForgeRelay>	 <theghostofinky> Yea I can see it too on miraheze, and it doesn't seem like a skin issue either
[20:29:19] <WikiForgeRelay>	 <notaracham> Just dove into the CSS as well to see if there was any special conflicts, that's no issue either.  Could you try disabling adblocking extension + refreshing?
[20:31:57] <WikiForgeRelay>	 <theghostofinky> I just tried that and no change, the HTML that comes from the server doesn't contain the field at all
[20:32:47] <WikiForgeRelay>	 <agentisai> some permission check might be failing
[20:32:51] <WikiForgeRelay>	 <notaracham> Couldn't be tied to 2FA requirements, could it?
[20:33:21] <WikiForgeRelay>	 <notaracham> I was pretty sure that was limited to just sitewide CSS/JS, but 🤷
[20:34:04] <WikiForgeRelay>	 <agentisai, replying to notaracham> It's only limited to interface-admin actually
[20:34:15] <WikiForgeRelay>	 <notaracham> Ah,
[20:36:48] <WikiForgeRelay>	 <theghostofinky> Just enabled 2FA and nothing changed
[20:37:11] <WikiForgeRelay>	 <theghostofinky> Also the QR code was inverted, had to use a CSS filter for my phone to detect it
[20:37:19] <WikiForgeRelay>	 <theghostofinky> Latest version of Google authenticator
[21:20:54] <WikiForgeRelay>	 <a10thehero> Oh, I actually have that same issue on my wiki too.
[22:08:07] <WikiForgeRelay>	 <disgustedorite> images aren't loading, is that a known issue?
[22:08:32] <WikiForgeRelay>	 <jeb_cc> https://discord.com/channels/1088870295412146347/1170481504346968154
[22:09:17] <WikiForgeRelay>	 <jeb_cc> But yeah, same issue here
[22:16:45] <WikiForgeRelay>	 <lovesnextmissessandra> Hey my iNext Wiki is not showing up and I have this problem can one of you fix it https://inext.wikitide.org/wiki/Special:NewFiles
[22:17:26] <WikiForgeRelay>	 <lovesnextmissessandra> I had this problem with my iCarly Wiki before
[22:17:41] <WikiForgeRelay>	 <jeb_cc> Yeah there's been a bit of these wiki shenanigans atm. :)
[22:59:20] <WikiForgeRelay>	 <notaracham> [1/2] This set of issues is outside my expertise, I know we're staging a migration to a new image platform but I don't believe that's currently underway.
[22:59:20] <WikiForgeRelay>	 <notaracham> [2/2] we'll need to wait until another member of @Site Reliability Engineers are available to look into this...
[23:00:45] <WikiForgeRelay>	 <jeb_cc> No worries. :)