[06:12:33] DEBUG Exception in module NetCat: Unable to read data from the transport connection: Connection reset by peer. st: at System.Net.Sockets.NetworkStream.Read (System.Byte[] buffer, System.Int32 offset, System.Int32 size) [0x000be] in :0 at System.IO.StreamReader.ReadBuffer () [0x0002b] in <12b418a7818c4ca0893feeaaf67f1e7f>:0 at System.IO.StreamReader.get_EndOfStream () [0x00030] in <12b418a7818c4ca0893feeaaf67f1e7f>:0 at (wrapper remoting-invoke-with-check) System.IO.StreamReader.get_EndOfStream() at wmib.Extensions.NetCat.Client (System.Object data) [0x002b8] in :0 [06:12:33] DEBUG Exception in module NetCat: Unable to read data from the transport connection: Connection reset by peer. st: at System.Net.Sockets.NetworkStream.Read (System.Byte[] buffer, System.Int32 offset, System.Int32 size) [0x000be] in :0 at System.IO.StreamReader.ReadBuffer () [0x000bf] in <12b418a7818c4ca0893feeaaf67f1e7f>:0 at System.IO.StreamReader.ReadLine () [0x00138] in <12b418a7818c4ca0893feeaaf67f1e7f>:0 at wmib.Extensions.NetCat.Client (System.Object data) [0x00059] in :0 [06:12:38] DEBUG Exception in module NetCat: Unable to read data from the transport connection: Connection reset by peer. st: at System.Net.Sockets.NetworkStream.Read (System.Byte[] buffer, System.Int32 offset, System.Int32 size) [0x000be] in :0 at System.IO.StreamReader.ReadBuffer () [0x000bf] in <12b418a7818c4ca0893feeaaf67f1e7f>:0 at System.IO.StreamReader.get_EndOfStream () [0x00030] in <12b418a7818c4ca0893feeaaf67f1e7f>:0 at (wrapper remoting-invoke-with-check) System.IO.StreamReader.get_EndOfStream() at wmib.Extensions.NetCat.Client (System.Object data) [0x002b8] in :0 [13:18:43] Permission denied [13:18:43] @add #wiktionary-pl [13:20:13] I want the bot to join the (nearly completely dead) channel of pl.wikt to provide linking in case it was needed [13:21:13] (I could run a bot for that on my own, but there's little sense in having a separate bot run just for that) [21:31:11] I don't know this channel: #wiktionary-pl [21:31:11] @trusted #wiktionary-pl [21:33:11] Piotrek: I wonder if the bot config for some accidental reason doesn't recognize your wiktionary cloak? https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wm-bot#Getting_bot_to_the_channel sure looks like what you did should work. [21:33:27] that's what I thought [21:34:38] maybe it'll somehow fix itself one day [21:34:50] @add #wiktionary-pl [21:34:51] this is not an important issue, as the channel is dead anyway [21:35:10] and has been for years [21:35:22] BTW how are other Wikimedia channels doing? [21:35:46] it didn't tell me no, but it also hasn't joined the channel. :shrug: [21:36:20] (#wiktionary-pl has been dead for years, #wikipedia-pl was between dead and alive before the takeover of freenode and died after it) [21:36:37] I hang out in the technical community channels rather than the content projects. I would say that IRC usage is not growing, but there is a core that remains here talking. [21:36:44] ahm [21:37:35] and of course a lot of bots. IRC was sort of made for building bots. [21:37:38] the content creators (and generally non-technical users) seem to have mostly moved to the Known Chat App [21:38:28] I still remember the days when there were more people active than bots [21:38:44] but as a matter of fact creating IRC bots is very simple [21:39:41] just push some simple plain text over TCP socket with your favorite programming toolset/language [21:39:55] I first really engaged with the movement in 2013. There was a lot more IRC activity in the tech channels then. One of the causes of drop off was the WMF moving most of their team communications into Slack. [21:40:14] no APIs, no keys, no HTTP [21:40:49] don't know what's the case with the "modern" chat apps, I guess they require API keys and proper bot registration [21:40:54] I was not a fan of the Slack move to the point that my managers told me I had to stop complaining about it or there would be unspecified consequences. [21:41:06] * Piotrek has been using IRC since 2012 [21:41:48] though I did not start with Wikimedia, but with Wikia (later renamed to Fandom) [21:41:54] I think my last freenode account went back to ~2005 or so, but I probably first saw irc in the mid-90's [21:42:17] I was not alive in the mid-90s yet [21:42:33] that's a fair reason not to have been on irc then ;) [21:42:50] like definetely most people my age have not ever heard of it [21:43:22] though I knew a few on IRC in the first half of 2010s [21:44:28] on Wikia, there was this brief period when most wikis moved off IRC to the internal chat which was exceptionally shitty, so it still was possible to bring people to IRC [21:45:11] but later the D chat app became very popular very quickly and most people moved there in a few years [21:45:27] (and Wikia ditched their own "invention") [21:45:46] the need for a bnc of some sort for backscroll and the dominance of text make selling IRC to new people more difficult I think [21:46:06] and AFAIK it's also the main chat for Polish Wikimedians now [21:46:19] bd808: ugh, I sometimes liked that ;P [21:46:25] Things like Discord and Telegram are just easier to casually use [21:46:30] but it's impractical for everyday use [21:47:31] I run https://wikitech.wikimedia.org/wiki/Tool:Bridgebot to try and join some different platforms for folks, but it is only a partial solution [21:48:00] I decided not to move to D., at least until they allow third-party clients [21:48:18] and I'm still here [21:49:49] bd808: I sometimes pass by mentions of such programs [21:50:08] and I think I saw them here a few times, but the results were obviously… not good